And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too
darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM
If it didn't Moghedien would have found a Black Sister and gotten herself free... or would have pulled Nynaeve or Elayne into TAR at some point and gotten revenge ... too many options for her if it didn't stop her.
But it seems likely that death or madness akin to Machin Chin eating your soul would be the outcome if you left TAR in Spirit form.
This seems likely.
I wonder if this might also explain the other bizarre thing with the whole Moghedien episode that I have often wondered about. When Nynaeve imagined the a'dam collar around Moghediens neck while they were both in TAR, why is it that Moghedien did not just imagine the a'dam into nothingness? I mean we know that is possible, we have seen people change their clothes or imagine things such as bushes or other items into vanishing.
Why did Moghedien who is supposedly such a master of TAR not just get rid of the collar with her mind. For that matter, why did she not just choose to wake up in the real world and free herself from the collar that way. We know that dreamers can wake up at-will.
This would all be explained if the a'dam has some inbuilt block that neutralises all dream-abilities. Once Nynaeve imagined the thing around Moghedien's neck, Moghedien was no longer able to influence TAR in any way, or leave TAR willingly. Maybe dreamers were a lot more common in Seanchan and something like this was required to prevent the damane from forcibly pulling the sul'dam to TAR and killing her in her dreams or something.
LoC
A Matter of Thought
Shifting to her bed; Nynaeve frowned and fiddled with the a’dam bracelet on her wrist. She always insisted one of them wear it even when they slept, though it produced decidedly odd and unpleasant dreams.
and when you are in TAR you cannot affect a woman wearing the collar
LoC
A Matter of Thought
Nynaeve stood there in an Accepted’s white dress with the banded hem, impatient beside Siuan and Leane. She had the silver bracelet, too, though it would not work from here to the waking world; it still held Moghedien, but Nynaeve, out of her body, would not be feeling anything through it.
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
This message last edited by darius_sedai on 26/05/2010 at 10:55:38 PM
Help me out with a TAR problem
- 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM
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Re: Help me out with a TAR problem
- 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM
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No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM
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Re: No I don't mean that
- 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM
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I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
- 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM
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Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking
- 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM
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And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too
- 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM
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I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM
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Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that.
- 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM
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I disagree
- 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM
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Re: I disagree
- 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM
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If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM
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Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off
- 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM
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I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here
- 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM
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We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop.
- 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM
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But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR
- 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM
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The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself
- 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM
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I don't agree.
- 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM
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you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM
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Re: you are misreading me I think
- 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM
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That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM
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Re: That's the point.
- 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM
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Interesting idea.
- 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM
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There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies
- 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM
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we've seen this fail
- 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM
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So I think this disproves it
- 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM
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Is that really true?
- 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM
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Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM*
- 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM
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I would generally agree with your edits
- 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM
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yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM
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Re: yes and no
- 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM
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5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously
- 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM
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well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte
- 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM
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Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit?
- 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM
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You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh.
- 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM
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I think this is possible.
- 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM
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Dream gateway!
- 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM
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I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form
- 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM
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if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind
- 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM
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if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R
- 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM
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I don't think anybody has said this before...
- 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM
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Your real body can only channel Spirit.
- 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM
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Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world.
- 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM
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Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling.
- 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM
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The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM
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That's a weird situation.
- 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM
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Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious'
- 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM
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Re: The only real situation we have to compare...
- 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM
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If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM
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Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after...
- 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM
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Actually I don't think so..
- 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM
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Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere.
- 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM
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TAR constructs cannot leave it.
- 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM
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Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ...
- 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM
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I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR...
- 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM
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