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No I don't mean that Sidious Send a noteboard - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM

I've thought of this before, but would like someone to show me some evidence to counter or accept it, or generally provide a statement on what you think...

You're tied to a pole. You dream yourself into TAR. You Travel to the place where you've tied yourself. You free yourself.

Is there anything that contradicts this? We know that you can channel and Travel in TAR.


Err. So if I understand your question correctly:

1.You are tied to a pole in the real world.
2.You fall asleep and enter TAR
3.In TAR, you go to the place where you are tied in the real world.
4.In TAR, you release yourself.
5.This releases you in the real world.

For that to work, changing the environment in TAR would require a change in the real world too. I don't think thats the case, or is it? If it is then in theory that might work.


I mean that you Travel out of TAR using a gateway. Your ethereal self then frees you.
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Help me out with a TAR problem Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:10:07 PM 1393 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem Datakim - 26/05/2010 08:28:34 PM 822 Views
No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:37:27 PM 837 Views
Re: No I don't mean that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:39:42 PM 710 Views
Re: No I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:52:22 PM 614 Views
I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:26:20 PM 562 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:49:24 PM 558 Views
And it seems the woman wearing the bracelet has strange dreams too darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:54:26 PM 647 Views
Re: I'm inclined to think the a'dam stops Dream Walking HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:46:42 PM 552 Views
I think it would be the latter RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:11:17 PM 656 Views
I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:39:14 PM 566 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:50:56 PM 534 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 12:06:55 AM 556 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:21:53 AM 588 Views
Re: I have a few mundane my reasons as to why Moghedien probably wouldn't and couldn't do that. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 02:58:36 PM 600 Views
I disagree darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:21:05 PM 567 Views
Re: I disagree RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:08:41 PM 617 Views
If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:14:26 PM 662 Views
Re: If she could enter TAR she could drag an AS in with her, compell them and make them take it off RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:11 PM 760 Views
I think we are saying pretty much the same thing here darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:24:37 PM 593 Views
We are close to the same idea, but different in where we think her ability will stop. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:37:28 PM 588 Views
*nods* *NM* darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 11:29:10 PM 266 Views
But channelling is not a requirement to enter TAR BlackAdder - 27/05/2010 08:31:21 AM 531 Views
The a'dam affects things in Channelers other than the ability itself darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 01:58:34 PM 709 Views
I don't agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:02:08 PM 592 Views
you are misreading me I think darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 03:11:50 PM 732 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 06:30:29 PM 642 Views
Re: you are misreading me I think HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:42:36 PM 654 Views
That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 06:57:35 PM 612 Views
Re: That's the point. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 07:10:25 PM 578 Views
Re: That's the point. darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 07:16:49 PM 574 Views
We may never know! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 09:21:48 PM 616 Views
I would be very surprised if it came up in the books darius_sedai - 27/05/2010 09:25:29 PM 571 Views
Interesting idea. Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:38:04 PM 539 Views
Fascinating Idea #4 on this thread. Thanks, Sid! *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:31:48 PM 285 Views
Channeler heal thyself Datakim - 26/05/2010 11:40:25 PM 664 Views
There may be a clue to this in the descriptions of astral projection in comics and psychic studies RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:59:42 PM 611 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem cmoorejr - 26/05/2010 08:35:49 PM 587 Views
Doesn't work entyti - 26/05/2010 08:37:40 PM 797 Views
we've seen this fail darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:38:06 PM 550 Views
I don't mean that Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:39:32 PM 535 Views
I'd say you either die or just wake up if you tried that darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 08:40:31 PM 545 Views
As far as I know... Etzel - 26/05/2010 08:38:36 PM 575 Views
This could work DomA - 26/05/2010 08:43:21 PM 758 Views
Thanks Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:51:17 PM 586 Views
Re: Thanks DomA - 26/05/2010 09:12:10 PM 549 Views
So I think this disproves it newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:49:55 PM 827 Views
Is that really true? Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:53:45 PM 613 Views
Sid, I made some edits, but really nothing's certain. Look again, pls. *NM* newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 08:55:30 PM 295 Views
I would generally agree with your edits Sidious - 26/05/2010 08:57:32 PM 572 Views
yes and no darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 09:31:53 PM 490 Views
Re: yes and no Datakim - 26/05/2010 09:55:46 PM 524 Views
5+ entries for "Book 4-6 Thing " now... Funny that we wrote slight variations simultaneously newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:24:03 PM 524 Views
well Moghedien somehow managed to create a whole Body for Birgitte darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:36:45 PM 577 Views
Could Rahvin turn Rand into a fishman if he was just there in Spirit? newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 10:19:05 PM 546 Views
And I agree with your response newyorkersedai - 26/05/2010 09:49:00 PM 548 Views
You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. krassos - 26/05/2010 10:06:02 PM 663 Views
Re: You have to enter TAR in the Flesh to leave it in the Flesh. darius_sedai - 26/05/2010 10:57:06 PM 539 Views
The short answer to Birgitte krassos - 27/05/2010 02:37:13 AM 543 Views
I think this is possible. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/05/2010 11:28:51 PM 593 Views
Dream gateway! Datakim - 27/05/2010 12:05:31 AM 531 Views
I think the problem is that you can only channel Spirit through your T'A'R form RugbyPlayingAshaman - 27/05/2010 03:05:13 PM 519 Views
if you dream yourself into T'A'R then you're just a creation of your own mind Jim - 27/05/2010 12:02:38 AM 518 Views
aren't we all? *NM* newyorkersedai - 27/05/2010 12:04:08 AM 244 Views
if that was true you couldn't die in T'A'R Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:08:10 AM 509 Views
Why not? krassos - 27/05/2010 03:41:10 PM 646 Views
if it's just a creation of your mind? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 04:03:29 PM 581 Views
is it possible to Travel in T'A'R when dreaming? Foxhead - 27/05/2010 12:06:57 AM 540 Views
I don't think anybody has said this before... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 04:01:28 AM 618 Views
Your real body can only channel Spirit. Gher - 27/05/2010 05:25:08 AM 623 Views
Yes, but you need real One Power to affect the real world. Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:46:21 AM 611 Views
Yes, I agree with that, but I was mostly just replying to your question about sleep-channeling. Gher - 27/05/2010 06:56:18 AM 530 Views
The only real situation we have to compare... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 06:59:51 AM 519 Views
That's a weird situation. Gher - 27/05/2010 07:09:21 AM 574 Views
Well, yes. The Birgitte situation can't be compared directly to Sidious' Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:01:38 AM 583 Views
Re: The only real situation we have to compare... HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:11:45 PM 624 Views
If something that didn't exist before existed after... Fanatic-Templar - 27/05/2010 08:58:55 PM 562 Views
Re: If something that didn't exist before existed after... HyogaRott - 28/05/2010 02:09:01 PM 626 Views
Actually I don't think so.. darius_sedai - 28/05/2010 02:31:27 PM 527 Views
Plus, their ability to affect reality comes from the magic of the Horn of Valere. Fanatic-Templar - 28/05/2010 06:14:21 PM 459 Views
your dream self couldn't exit TAR... Onarishma - 27/05/2010 06:39:26 AM 578 Views
TAR constructs cannot leave it. fionwe1987 - 27/05/2010 04:57:12 PM 736 Views
Not just constructs ... anything reflected in TAR cannot leave it ... Shishka - 27/05/2010 10:05:37 PM 703 Views
Re: Help me out with a TAR problem HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 06:58:18 PM 525 Views
shucks everyone already thought of this... *NM* HyogaRott - 27/05/2010 07:08:50 PM 253 Views
problem solved... sort of? lummox - 28/05/2010 02:48:13 AM 649 Views
I agree with those saying that if you don't physically enter TAR... TaskmasterJack - 29/05/2010 09:32:40 PM 590 Views
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