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Re: I have a different opinion of Moghedien. darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 25/05/2010 05:38:22 PM
Unlike some of the more powerful Forsaken, her survival and success seems entirely reliant on her ability to apply her skills and Talents at the right moments to destroy an opponent, so I actually see her as much more capable than Ishamael/Moridin, Lanfear, Demandred, Rahvin and others. Mainly because she could not afforded to be blinded by arrogance, and had to be very realistic in terms of where and when she had a chance to win.

For example, when she pulled Birgitte out of Tel'Aran'Rhiod, what did we see a mere few minutes ago? She had been spying on the Forsaken Tea Party without any of them even knowing, and in such a manner that if she had been a different type of person, would have given her the ability to track down one of them and destroy them. I think a good indication of how dangerous she was was the fact that despite her weakness, she was one of the first opponents that aimed to strike at Rand and came the closest. Compared to some of the stronger Forsaken, who were killed in very brief scenes due to their pride, she ended up lasting the longest as a threat because of how she worked. I tend to think that too much access to power in this series is a bad thing, because it blinds the owner into over-estimating themselves. The most obvious things get overlooked because of hubris.

Maybe it's because we know she was an investment banker, but she strikes me as the type who is so good at what she does, that she hedges any threat to her by limiting her involvement while maximizing her return. Basically, she wants to minimize effort, maximize gain and ensure continual profits which isn't the same thing as having a lack of any particular skill. I think this is why none of the surviving Forsaken discount her out of hand - she got to where she was by eliminating people who dismissed her as weak; many of the Chosen at this point in the game are supremely good at self preservation, and they are now only being culled because most of them over-invested in one particular strategy and were shocked when they were hunted down by LTT Reborn. In many ways I count some of the males as weaker than her in real life terms, because some of them, Balthamel, Asmodean and Aginor, for example, just don't seem to have good records for survivability in this Age. Bel'al was eliminated so quickly, he didn't even make much of an impression in the grand scheme of things.


I would draw a distinction between survivability and skill with the OP, which is what I was speaking about. Certainly she's shown flashes of exceptional ability with OP related matters ... TAR, Ripping Birgitte out, but realistically she's lacking in this area more than she's really lacking in raw strength.

Over and over we hear the FS dismiss people based on their lack of skill rather than lack of strength. IMO Moghedien isn't all that much weaker in strength than the very most powerful women, just less skilled overall.

Sort of like you may see in Tennis, she would be a solid top 10 player, but because she has no big weapon in her arsenal she'll never make it into the top 5. Even Egwene would be more effective IMO because she has a few crazy abilities to add to her arsenal, such as immense strength in Earth which is rare in women. Egwene who in raw strength would be, lets say, a top 15 player, suddenly has the ability to rise to top 10 based on this particular ability that gives her more skill options than other women...
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Does shielding go away when the shielder dies? - 21/05/2010 04:51:52 AM 1689 Views
Her shield was tied off so No - 21/05/2010 05:23:46 AM 400 Views
I agree with that guy ^ - 21/05/2010 06:44:13 AM 400 Views
Regarding her shield - 21/05/2010 03:03:41 PM 470 Views
Moghedien also seems to have had this skill, which makes sense since she is more skilled than Asmo - 21/05/2010 05:27:43 PM 369 Views
Is Mogs more skilled than Asmo or was it Nyn being less skilled than Lanfear? - 21/05/2010 06:32:47 PM 374 Views
I think Moghedien is very skilled but lacks the motivation or desire to be openly aggressive - 21/05/2010 09:24:40 PM 336 Views
I'm of two minds there - 22/05/2010 12:40:10 AM 357 Views
I don't think she's skilled at shielding - 22/05/2010 07:30:23 AM 1544 Views
I tend to agree with you - 22/05/2010 02:07:03 PM 350 Views
But Ishamael was killed by a shepherd and Lanfear was tackled by a midget. - 24/05/2010 06:30:08 PM 325 Views
good points - 24/05/2010 08:37:28 PM 331 Views
I have a different opinion of Moghedien. - 24/05/2010 10:42:30 PM 359 Views
I don't really agree - 25/05/2010 08:01:29 AM 313 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 25/05/2010 03:01:37 PM 326 Views
Re: I have a different opinion of Moghedien. - 25/05/2010 05:38:22 PM 312 Views
I don't like her personality, but I like her character way more than Moridin and others! - 25/05/2010 08:03:39 PM 314 Views
I guess what I'm saying is that I think what you are talking about isn't really OP skill IMO - 25/05/2010 11:21:58 PM 313 Views
Re: I guess what I'm saying is that I think what you are talking about isn't really OP skill IMO - 26/05/2010 05:06:29 AM 311 Views
true, but she's changed a little since becoming Moridin's slave - 26/05/2010 01:39:44 PM 302 Views
Re: true, but she's changed a little since becoming Moridin's slave - 26/05/2010 05:14:17 PM 307 Views
I had that same thought - 26/05/2010 09:34:09 PM 291 Views
Re: Regarding her shield - 21/05/2010 05:58:49 PM 343 Views
Re: Her shield was tied off so No - 21/05/2010 05:36:57 PM 367 Views
Re: Her shield was tied off so No - 21/05/2010 06:03:15 PM 343 Views
Re: Her shield was tied off so No - 21/05/2010 06:36:35 PM 356 Views
Re: Her shield was tied off so No - 21/05/2010 06:49:58 PM 364 Views
Depends - 21/05/2010 03:00:27 PM 412 Views

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