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That's also true. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM
I mean, it's technically possible that this would happen in future books, but after Egwene goes for her whole 'Healer of Division' routine and nobody in the White Tower had the minimum necessary intellect to bring this up - including the Reds and Elaida - I have very little confidence in this ever being brought up again.


Maybe the Reds, in general, don't want to bring it up because they are worried Siuan will drag out stuff about what they did during the vileness.

During Egwene's debate with Elaida, for example, this was not brought up because Elaida was probably worried that Egwene would bring up the vileness, and she doesn't want the Sitters to remember that now, does she?

Also, the few names we heard from Logain are likely Blacks. For all we know, a few Black-Reds did indeed encourage Logain on orders from the Supreme Council, and people like Pevara just did not know.


The vileness was about killing male channelers on the spot, as far as I recall, not supporting them. But either way, Egwene has already been spreading slanderous accusations against Elaida, why would she fear breaking the holy persona Egwene was building for herself, if the only repercussions would be more of the same? Egwene was the one in danger here - her entire position was built on 'this division of the Tower is an evil thing, I intend to heal it', launching such an accusation, targeted directly at the Reds would reveal her to be just another power-hungry woman ready to turn against fellow Sisters just to get ahead. Her entire platform would have been ruined. Elaida has nothing to lose.

Though to be frank, I don't expect Elaida to have thought this carefully through. She was visibly enraged and acting thoughtlessly, she would not have considered the advantages I've shown any more than she would have considered the possibilities you brought up. She should have just shouted the accusations at Egwene or something.

As for you suggesting the lies are true, you're just grasping at straws. Fabrications are not true until proven false, and there is absolutely nothing to indicate that this is true. Only those deceived by Logain and Siuan ever think of it as true, and that's precisely because they are deceived.

Even if it were true that changes nothing! Elaida is not a Darkfriend, nor are most of the Reds in the Tower.


2 (or 3) Amyrlins and about a dozen senior Sisters (at the least) also died in rapid succession ... and not all killed by the Black ... Chesmal convinced Reds to kill Sieren when she thought she was going to be caught as BA. The vileness went much deeper than a few male channelers being Gentled without trial!


in killing an Amyrlin. Certainly the vast majority of them (meaning all not involved) would be as incensed over this as Pevara was over Siuan's lies. Remember that the true extent of the vileness was Sealed to the Flame.
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