it seems more likely that the sin is giving up the Way of the Leaf
Jim Send a noteboard - 19/05/2010 11:14:38 PM
The Jenn never "failed" the Aes Sedai. They were loyal to their charge to the very end. They chose to enter the waste for whatever reason (most likely safety from humanity as most people would seek to avoid such harsh conditions). The rest of the body of the Aiel outcasts followed the Jenn's Wagons out of a combination of tradition(they had been doing so for generations alread) and dedication to a twisted memory of what they had been.
The twisting of stories over time is a common theme in the Wheel of Time and we often see their effects.
The twisting of stories over time is a common theme in the Wheel of Time and we often see their effects.
That is completely incorrect. In the novels it tells you that the Aiel punished themselves by going to the Waste.
In my TOR paperback copy of tGH its on page 410:
"You call it the Waste," Urien said. "To us it is the Three-fold Land. A shaping stone, to make us; a testing geound, to prove our worth; and a punishment for the sin."
"What sin?" Mat asked. Perrin caught his breath, waiting for the spears in Urien's hands to flash.
Tha Aiel shrugged. "So long ago it was, that none remember. Except the wise ones and the can chiefs, and they will not speak of it. It must have been a very great sin if they cannot bring themselves to tell us, but the creator punishes us well."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiel_Waste
"Despite the daunting environment, the Aiel people make the Waste their home. The majority of Aiel live in and among the rock formations. These holds, as they are called, are approximately the size of villages. The Aiel have their own name for the Waste, the Three-Fold Land: First, because it is a shaping stone to make them; second, it is a testing ground to prove their worth; third, it is a punishment for their sin against Aes Sedai. "
REMEMBER: This is why the Aiel treat Aes Sedai so respectuflly at the beginning. They hold them in high regard and consider themselves servants to them. They DID serve the Aes Sedai faithfully until the end, and they brought as many items of power with them to Rhuidean as they could, but ultimately they felt they had failed the Aes Sedai because so many items of power were lost or discarded along the way.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
The Song--how it worked and why it was lost--OGIERS ARE NOT ARTIFICIAL
06/05/2010 03:25:18 AM
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there is no Song. None. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. Bupkis.
06/05/2010 04:22:38 AM
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There is a song, and maybe Rand will return it to them.
12/05/2010 07:31:32 AM
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I don't feel like going into the Song nonsense again. As for the Tinkers/Jenn...
12/05/2010 11:51:34 PM
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They DID fail the Aes Sedai; at least in their own eyes.
16/05/2010 04:59:38 AM
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it seems more likely that the sin is giving up the Way of the Leaf
19/05/2010 11:14:38 PM
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because Rand was the very first person ever to see that at Rhuidan?
13/05/2010 05:04:40 AM
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I'm quite sure the Ogier are not artificial
06/05/2010 11:32:17 AM
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I thought RJ said something about the Ogier being from another planet?
06/05/2010 02:44:21 PM
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This can be inferred from discussion of the Book of Translation *NM*
10/05/2010 10:04:05 PM
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The song was "Hey Soul Sister" by Train. It was lost when the last ter'angreal Ipod broke.
06/05/2010 02:41:42 PM
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According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
07/05/2010 11:25:20 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
08/05/2010 08:29:39 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
09/05/2010 01:48:49 AM
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--Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
08/05/2010 03:07:55 AM
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Re: --Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
10/05/2010 09:59:42 PM
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How is there "No Song?"
09/05/2010 12:44:22 AM
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Re: How is there "No Song?"
09/05/2010 01:38:36 AM
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Oh, ok. But...
09/05/2010 05:26:54 AM
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I doubt it.
09/05/2010 06:38:39 PM
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LTT asked it because he was bonkers
10/05/2010 05:22:06 AM
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I agree.
11/05/2010 12:35:43 AM
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That's not how his insanity was portrayed.
11/05/2010 02:23:08 AM
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If it weren't a Seed Song, why're the Nym needed? if not needed why did they forget how to sing?
11/05/2010 04:48:12 AM
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From where did you get the idea that Nym were needed?
11/05/2010 05:11:15 AM
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I got the part about the Nym from a sub thread in this post. One you commented on. Keep up man.
11/05/2010 05:42:14 AM
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My only post in other subthreads is a joke response to File Leader, I think?
11/05/2010 06:52:22 AM
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The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
11/05/2010 01:41:10 PM
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Re: The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
11/05/2010 07:49:02 PM
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