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You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM

I think Siuan is a lesser woman. Even in NS she was better than she is now. She may be a good advisor with a sharp mind, but she's still a shadow of what she was.


If anything, Siuan's own thoughts in tGS should show that she is now a stronger and subtler woman.

As she realizes, she relied too much on her great strength in the Power before. She was manipulative, devious but not very subtle. She could, and did, run roughshod over any opposition.

Weakened, she has been forced to use her mind to its fullest potential. And in the process has realized that power blinds you to those you think are weaker, and allows them to manipulate you.

Even if she does regain her full strength, she's never going to go back to her old ways. With or without that strength, she is now a far more dangerous person, and her experience as a weak nobody has also strengthened her resolve and made her a tough person. I'd actually like to see her meet Cadsuane more than anyone else. Caddy will see right away that here's someone who's almost a match.


To be honest I never thought of Siuan as a function of her channeling. Siuan seems diminished to me. She may be devious but she's a lesser woman than many in Salidar including Egwene, Romanda and Lelaine. I'd go as far to say that Leane has become a stronger woman than Siuan. Seriously, no one really respects her, and Egwene often cuts her off. Maybe it is because they defer to strength in the Power so heavily, but I find that even Gareth Bryne finds her more amusing than intimidating.

Personally I think she was smashed so badly by being stilled and stripped of stole and staff that she'll never completely recover.

Siuan has just found a new way to get people to do what she wants. She's already controlling Romanda and Lelaine (hooray, Egwene's pet managed to smash the only remaining Tower-related obstacle - tyranny here we come!). I'm sure that, if she really tried, she could get Egwene to do what she wants, too.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif Sidious - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5020 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Shannow - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1047 Views
yeah, but then again ... Velveti - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 840 Views
That's total nonsense... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1096 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... Shannow - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 968 Views
He raised other issues too Sidious - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 961 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 969 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. Shannow - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 825 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 836 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 479 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 493 Views
Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM* HyogaRott - 17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM 434 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 921 Views
All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office! Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM 1048 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... lyringlas - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 875 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM 910 Views
Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM 871 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. BlackAdder - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 874 Views
Both wonderful characters... Great Lord of Chaos - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 801 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1006 Views
"They"? fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 905 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1036 Views
Re: Good point ... fionwe1987 - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 927 Views
Re: Good point ... DomA - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1091 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer Nargs - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 921 Views
Re: "They"? DomA - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 962 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... Cannoli - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 913 Views
I don't know if I agree with this darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 969 Views
The thing is ... Shishka - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 884 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier darius_sedai - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 714 Views
I totally unagree... Milla - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1112 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 858 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 814 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 865 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 922 Views
I don't really agree Sidious - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 848 Views
I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line darius_sedai - 11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM 827 Views
Re: I don't really agree DomA - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 922 Views
I hope so, as well. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 867 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif orius - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1033 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 906 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 880 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 781 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* Cannoli - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 539 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 482 Views
The Reds aren't petty Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 756 Views
Are you kidding? Fanatic-Templar - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 877 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it darius_sedai - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 884 Views
There is none. Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 878 Views
Uhhh? fionwe1987 - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 789 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 929 Views
Re: ... Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 862 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 847 Views
*sigh* Sidious - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 905 Views
So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 810 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Sidious - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 846 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. Fanatic-Templar - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 940 Views
So, Tsutama... fionwe1987 - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 989 Views
Ugh. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 752 Views
WTF? fionwe1987 - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 816 Views
F-T is right BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 917 Views
On the minority thing... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 881 Views
That's exactly the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 748 Views
There is no rewriting... fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 745 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 850 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 882 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 717 Views
why so pissy? darius_sedai - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 877 Views
Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 842 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 708 Views
Re: Sorry. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 908 Views
Re: Sorry. Sidious - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 751 Views
Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 807 Views
Re: Interesting. Sidious - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 828 Views
Re: Interesting. Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 763 Views
LOL Sidious - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 779 Views
... Fanatic-Templar - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 967 Views
No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM* darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM 581 Views
There may be one explanation... fionwe1987 - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 793 Views
That doesn't make sense. Fanatic-Templar - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 919 Views
it was about more than just male channelers darius_sedai - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 908 Views
Yes, that's true. Fanatic-Templar - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 925 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 824 Views
That's also true. Fanatic-Templar - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 811 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue darius_sedai - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 811 Views
Why are they lumped together? Cannoli - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1069 Views
for practical purposes Sidious - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 779 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. The Angry Druid - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 811 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. Watcher - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 931 Views
No, I don't think so Sidious - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 748 Views
Let's just say we disagree. The Angry Druid - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 899 Views
Bah! fionwe1987 - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 838 Views
Pfft Sidious - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 839 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. BlackAdder - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 688 Views
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