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Re: So you're writing like a crackhead and ignoring any actual points... Datakim Send a noteboard - 13/05/2010 04:28:27 PM
So Callandor had a flaw. Tough. It's a super-powerful device and it's gonna be wielded by a guy who'll go crazy. The makers had just seen channelers go mad. Making him depend on a woman doesn't sound too dumb.


The flaw in Callandor was not a safety feature by its creators to make it safe to use by a madman. It is a mistake. And while it is powerfull, the Choedan Kal were far more so and better too since they had no flaw. Though perhaps the CK were too powerfull. That is up for debate. There is also another male sa'angreal more powerfull than Callandor which is presumably superiour.

As for the flaw, RJ said:

JWB: Was Callandor constructed during the War of Power?
RJ: Yes

JWB: Was it used in the War of Power?
RJ: Yes, that is how the flaw was discovered.

JWB: Why didn't they ward/buffer Callandor?
RJ: The flaw with Callandor is simply a manufacturing flaw. (He went on to talk about how they were at the end of their tech age with only a few sho-wings and jo-cars left. A couple of shocklances were still around but they were not as prevalent as they had been. Anyway they had been mass producing ter'angreal, angreal, and sa'angreal, and there are bound to be flaws with the products. The flaw with Callandor is simply one such flaw.)


Basically, Callandor was made before saidin was tainted, and the flaw in it is a manufacturing error, not a designed safety feature as you imply.

That being said, it is likely that Callandor will play some role unless the prophecy of TGS is a red herring. And it is quite possible that the flaw will play some role too. It may have been put there by the pattern or something. There are theories that Callandor can be used to "overchannel" or that it works as a TP-amplifier and lots of other theories. For the moment we will simply have to wait and see if any of that pans out.

It is still possible that the prophecy about the blade of light refers to something other than Callandor and that it will play no role in defeating the DO. I personally doubt it but it is certainly possible.


And if the Horn will work for either side, then the Eye protecting that Horn is actually really damned important. The Green Man doesn't matter - more protection is better. Sensible people might recognize this.


The horn could just as easily have been protected by a ward similar to the one that shielded Callandor. Better even since only the Dragon Reborn could go through that ward while anyone could tap the Eye. The same is true for the seals. The Eye was not needed for this purpose.


For guys who didn't need it, Agi and 'thamel both really wanted the Eye. 2 Forsaken down, and a Trolloc army routed in a hopeless battle. The Eye sucked, huh? Calling the Dragon out into the World sucks, right? Proclaiming the Dragon to all the World sucks? Creating a protected fortress which houses what will instantly become the Dragon's first army? That sucks?


The Eye was certainly a powerfull channeling magnifier that allowed Rand to do great feats of power. However Rand could have done all those same feats with Callandor, or the CK or the third unknown male sa'angreal. Heck, given how powerfull he is and that the trollocs had no channelers to counter him, Rand might have been able to destroy the army completely unaided, though it would obviously have taken him longer, perhaps too long to save the human army. The Eye was certainly helpfull in this matter, but not as significant as you believe. That particular trolloc army would not have destroyed the world had Rand not stopped it.

The Eye may have had some other purpose such as forcing Rand and causing his strength in the power to increase rapidly or some other hidden thing, but we cannot be sure. It is just as possible that the Eye was simply unneeded and that your belief of its importance is simply wrong.

As for proclaiming the Dragon Reborn or giving him a protected fortress, neither of those can truly be credited to Callandor. They are all a result of prophecies stating that only the Dragon Reborn could take up the sword. It was the ACT of breaking through the ward that proved to the world and the people of Tear that Rand was the DR. Callandor could have been a teapot and the prophecies could have said that the DR will be recognized by taking up the crystal teapot and it would have worked just as well for this purpose, even if it would have been less dramatic to see Rand waving a teapot around.

Basically, it was the fullfillment of PROPHECY, rather than picking up a sa'angreal that proclaimed Rand as the DR. Without that prophecy, no one would have thought that Rand picking up Callandor was of universal significance.


And finally, I should say that you seem a rather rude person, being so insulting to beetnemesis for no reason only made me think that you had no rational arguments, so you had to resort to insults and personal attacks instead. I don't know about others but I think this does not exactly support your views, just so you know.
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Rand's two sides together - is the TGS scene the key to victory? As a man who uses a -sedai handle - 13/05/2010 06:06:14 AM 1177 Views
Completely ignoring your point- Callandor and the Eye both kinda sucked - 13/05/2010 07:53:25 AM 599 Views
So you're writing like a crackhead and ignoring any actual points... - 13/05/2010 02:25:26 PM 559 Views
Re: So you're writing like a crackhead and ignoring any actual points... - 13/05/2010 04:28:27 PM 724 Views
I used a =) and you have an odd sense of manners - 13/05/2010 05:27:55 PM 468 Views
Re: I used a =) and you have an odd sense of manners - 13/05/2010 07:02:43 PM 470 Views
I re-read my reply, and sorry again. W/o the smiley it sounds way harsh. *NM* - 16/05/2010 10:33:58 PM 197 Views
Re: I re-read my reply, and sorry again. W/o the smiley it sounds way harsh. - 19/05/2010 03:59:35 PM 486 Views
surprisingly, i didn't think so - 19/05/2010 05:09:28 PM 446 Views
I think the Eye forced Rand. - 13/05/2010 03:46:53 PM 495 Views
agree sorta. - 13/05/2010 04:08:24 PM 487 Views
Re: agree sorta. - 13/05/2010 04:37:08 PM 477 Views
A lot of Asha'man died from being forced. - 13/05/2010 06:04:25 PM 474 Views
Re: agree sorta. - 13/05/2010 07:41:25 PM 523 Views
Re: agree sorta. - 21/05/2010 03:15:16 AM 432 Views
How do you know that Callandor is flawed? - 13/05/2010 06:11:53 PM 465 Views
Because RJ specifically said so in an interview. *NM* - 13/05/2010 06:15:32 PM 192 Views
Link? *NM* - 15/05/2010 12:11:26 AM 210 Views
Re: Link? - 21/05/2010 03:19:19 AM 436 Views
Well, I replied. - 13/05/2010 07:52:18 PM 594 Views
And thank you for doing so - 16/05/2010 10:53:41 PM 455 Views
Re: And thank you for doing so - 21/05/2010 06:25:25 AM 404 Views
Re: Well, I replied. - 21/05/2010 03:30:28 AM 435 Views
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