My only post in other subthreads is a joke response to File Leader, I think?
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 11/05/2010 06:52:22 AM
Anyway, if you were responding to something from another subthread, wouldn't it have better fit there?
I agree. It is to differentiate. Because they're different.
What proof is there of what? I have no idea what the song they sang was for. I don't need to. It was not related to growing crops, therefore the assumption that it was a crop-growing song is unfounded. You're the one who needs proof.
Wrong. Treesinging. The Song of Saidin. And from the Guide, Da'shain Aiel were able to enhance channelling with their singing (second hand from The Thirteenth Depository because I don't have the Guide myself)
You are mistaken, it was Elayne. As for facts, do provide your evidence that Da'shain Aiel used a crop growing mechanism to stop a rampaging insane male channeler. I also suggest we stick to what we do know.
Given that you are wrong and that we do know for a fact that more than one exists, it seems that the simplest answer is that the references to Singing in obviously non crop growing situations refer to songs that have no relation to crop growing, rather than fabricating a supposed omnipotence of farming implements. As you are fond of sayings, here's a quote from Stephen Hawking: “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
Fortellings are capitalized but channeling is not. Everything that is "magical" isn't always capitalized in Jordan's work. I think the reason the Voice and Singing is capitalized while seed singing is not, is the same reason that channeling is not but Forelling and Travelling are. They are common words that are representing extremey special and rare abilities. The capitalization is to differentiate. The seed singing is an festival, so it is not capitalized.
I agree. It is to differentiate. Because they're different.
As for darkmookster's example... What proof is there? They sang a ritual song that would have been symbolic of their former way of life to a man who had forgotten it. That doesn't mean it was a different song. Are we assuming the Aiel who believed in the way of the leaf, complete passivity, would have a song to detain, or defend or attack an Aes Sedai? Not bloody likely. They sang the seed song, pure and simple.
What proof is there of what? I have no idea what the song they sang was for. I don't need to. It was not related to growing crops, therefore the assumption that it was a crop-growing song is unfounded. You're the one who needs proof.
What we have proof on is there is a Voice and Singing. We know of ONE song for sure. It is the seed song. Anything else is pure conjecture.
Wrong. Treesinging. The Song of Saidin. And from the Guide, Da'shain Aiel were able to enhance channelling with their singing (second hand from The Thirteenth Depository because I don't have the Guide myself)
You may REALLY REALLY want it to be true. But s a wise man once said, "Wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first." Let's stick with the facts here. To use an Randland example. The Seanchan are obsessed with finding the "secret weapon" the Aes Sedai used to blow up a huge area, when all it was, was Aviendha having trouble untying a gateway weave(if I am not mistaken). The point is when you guess beyond the facts, you get out on a limb. I suggest we work with what we know.
You are mistaken, it was Elayne. As for facts, do provide your evidence that Da'shain Aiel used a crop growing mechanism to stop a rampaging insane male channeler. I also suggest we stick to what we do know.
I can't say whether or not the song will be found or if more nym will be found/made. I can say, I believe there is one song. The only one named in the whole book. Heck, we don't even know the Aiel outside the city gates weren't singing the latest Lady gaga song. Obviously they weren't, but since they didn't specify, we are just guessing what the song was. While my, intentionally silly, guess(lady gaga) is obviously wrong, it doesn't involve introducing a whole new series of powers and abilities to the novels. Yours does.
Lastly, I was a science major in school. This seems like a great time for Occam's Razor. All things being equal, the simplest one is true. (the one that doesn't involve a myriad of songs when we only know for a fact ONE exists) or as they say in medical school, "when you hear hoofbeats: think horse, not zebra"
That is all.
Lastly, I was a science major in school. This seems like a great time for Occam's Razor. All things being equal, the simplest one is true. (the one that doesn't involve a myriad of songs when we only know for a fact ONE exists) or as they say in medical school, "when you hear hoofbeats: think horse, not zebra"
That is all.
Given that you are wrong and that we do know for a fact that more than one exists, it seems that the simplest answer is that the references to Singing in obviously non crop growing situations refer to songs that have no relation to crop growing, rather than fabricating a supposed omnipotence of farming implements. As you are fond of sayings, here's a quote from Stephen Hawking: “The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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The Song--how it worked and why it was lost--OGIERS ARE NOT ARTIFICIAL
- 06/05/2010 03:25:18 AM
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there is no Song. None. Nada. Zippo. Zilch. Bupkis.
- 06/05/2010 04:22:38 AM
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There is a song, and maybe Rand will return it to them.
- 12/05/2010 07:31:32 AM
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I don't feel like going into the Song nonsense again. As for the Tinkers/Jenn...
- 12/05/2010 11:51:34 PM
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They DID fail the Aes Sedai; at least in their own eyes.
- 16/05/2010 04:59:38 AM
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it seems more likely that the sin is giving up the Way of the Leaf
- 19/05/2010 11:14:38 PM
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because Rand was the very first person ever to see that at Rhuidan?
- 13/05/2010 05:04:40 AM
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I'm quite sure the Ogier are not artificial
- 06/05/2010 11:32:17 AM
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I thought RJ said something about the Ogier being from another planet?
- 06/05/2010 02:44:21 PM
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This can be inferred from discussion of the Book of Translation *NM*
- 10/05/2010 10:04:05 PM
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The song was "Hey Soul Sister" by Train. It was lost when the last ter'angreal Ipod broke.
- 06/05/2010 02:41:42 PM
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According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
- 07/05/2010 11:25:20 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
- 08/05/2010 08:29:39 PM
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Re: According To The Big Book Of Bad Art
- 09/05/2010 01:48:49 AM
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--Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
- 08/05/2010 03:07:55 AM
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Re: --Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence .....
- 10/05/2010 09:59:42 PM
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How is there "No Song?"
- 09/05/2010 12:44:22 AM
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Re: How is there "No Song?"
- 09/05/2010 01:38:36 AM
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Oh, ok. But...
- 09/05/2010 05:26:54 AM
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I doubt it.
- 09/05/2010 06:38:39 PM
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LTT asked it because he was bonkers
- 10/05/2010 05:22:06 AM
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I agree.
- 11/05/2010 12:35:43 AM
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That's not how his insanity was portrayed.
- 11/05/2010 02:23:08 AM
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If it weren't a Seed Song, why're the Nym needed? if not needed why did they forget how to sing?
- 11/05/2010 04:48:12 AM
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From where did you get the idea that Nym were needed?
- 11/05/2010 05:11:15 AM
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I got the part about the Nym from a sub thread in this post. One you commented on. Keep up man.
- 11/05/2010 05:42:14 AM
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My only post in other subthreads is a joke response to File Leader, I think?
- 11/05/2010 06:52:22 AM
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The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
- 11/05/2010 01:41:10 PM
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Re: The Voice is a talent like travelling for Aes Sedai. The capitalized Sing is for Aiel.
- 11/05/2010 07:49:02 PM
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