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She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine Sidious Send a noteboard - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM
Siuan had the roughest treatment of any female character in this story; as comedic as it is imagining the former most powerful female ruler in the world washing socks, the lack of respect and authority she commanded once losing her strength and the stole after Stilling went a long way towards my position that the Aes Sedai are flawed and need to be destroyed for their own good.

RJ took some time earlier in the series conveying that despite her great strength in the Power compared to other Sisters, it was also a matter of her personality that enabled Siuan to exercise such authority. When her strength was lost and all she was left with was experience that could now only be used circumspectly, it really drove home how backwards the organization is - basically the most capable leaders are not able to enter positions of authority because of the politics that we are constantly told are flawed but work.

I understand that she is in love, but I just don't like her character arc - it's played way too much for me to take her seriously.


I always felt sorry for Siuan. She was caught in the webs of the Blue ajah by the time she was raised to a new Sister, and had even less chance of leaving the Tower than Moiraine did. With her sharp mind, it's no surprise that she was made Amyrlin. She was cursed with hearing the prophecy, being the strongest woman in the Tower, and worst enemy of the Reds and especially Elaida. Add in the Black Ajah and it's a miracle she lasted so long. In the end while Moiraine was gallavanting around with the DR, she was trapped and at the mercy of the Hall, who actually wanted Moiraine most of all.

Leane was a pure victim. It's kind of terrible what happened to her, but both women found new functions in life.

The two characters did make one realize how dependent they become on saidar. Without it, they're hardly even women anymore.
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Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM 5020 Views
The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition... - 09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM 1047 Views
yeah, but then again ... - 09/05/2010 09:05:36 PM 840 Views
That's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM 1096 Views
No, THAT's total nonsense... - 10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM 968 Views
He raised other issues too - 10/05/2010 11:04:52 AM 962 Views
You seem to deal in bad analogies... - 10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM 969 Views
You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable. - 10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM 825 Views
Hello Pot. I'm Kettle. - 10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM 836 Views
Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan *NM* - 11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM 479 Views
Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM* - 12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM 493 Views
I usually agree about his manner, but he's right here. - 12/05/2010 04:24:28 AM 921 Views
Re: No, THAT's total nonsense... - 19/05/2010 04:39:07 PM 875 Views
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. - 12/05/2010 06:32:00 AM 875 Views
Both wonderful characters... - 10/05/2010 12:49:44 AM 802 Views
They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ... - 10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM 1007 Views
"They"? - 10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM 905 Views
Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM 1037 Views
Re: Good point ... - 10/05/2010 06:49:19 PM 927 Views
Re: Good point ... - 11/05/2010 03:43:43 PM 1091 Views
Leanne was not an Overseer - 17/05/2010 02:40:45 AM 922 Views
Re: "They"? - 11/05/2010 02:53:23 PM 962 Views
And she was eventually brought in on the secrets as well... - 12/05/2010 04:38:52 AM 913 Views
I don't know if I agree with this - 11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM 970 Views
The thing is ... - 11/05/2010 09:06:15 PM 884 Views
I get what you are saying, but the quote is from much earlier - 14/05/2010 03:14:17 PM 714 Views
I totally unagree... - 17/05/2010 11:16:50 AM 1112 Views
I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character - 10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM 858 Views
She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine - 10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM 815 Views
The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning - 11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM 865 Views
This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored - 11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM 922 Views
I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM 848 Views
Re: I don't really agree - 11/05/2010 06:28:48 PM 922 Views
I hope so, as well. - 13/05/2010 05:31:36 PM 867 Views
Re: Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif - 11/05/2010 05:06:51 PM 1033 Views
I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds. - 12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM 906 Views
In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it - 12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM 880 Views
Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this. - 12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM 781 Views
Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM* - 12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM 539 Views
Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM* - 12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM 482 Views
The Reds aren't petty - 12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM 756 Views
Are you kidding? - 12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM 877 Views
Unless of course there is truth to it - 17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM 884 Views
There is none. - 17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM 878 Views
Uhhh? - 17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM 789 Views
... - 17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM 929 Views
Re: ... - 18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM 863 Views
Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT] - 18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM 847 Views
*sigh* - 18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM 905 Views
So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM 810 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM 846 Views
Re: So, you're not kidding. - 19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM 940 Views
So, Tsutama... - 19/05/2010 05:29:56 PM 989 Views
Ugh. - 20/05/2010 04:05:43 AM 752 Views
WTF? - 20/05/2010 05:25:42 PM 816 Views
F-T is right - 19/05/2010 12:32:33 AM 917 Views
On the minority thing... - 18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM 881 Views
That's exactly the problem. - 18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM 748 Views
There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 08:57:50 PM 746 Views
Re: There is no rewriting... - 18/05/2010 09:21:31 PM 850 Views
Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red? - 18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM 883 Views
Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist. - 18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM 717 Views
why so pissy? - 19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM 877 Views
Sorry. - 20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM 842 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM 708 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM 908 Views
Re: Sorry. - 20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM 751 Views
Interesting. - 20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM 807 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM 828 Views
Re: Interesting. - 21/05/2010 06:28:05 AM 763 Views
LOL - 21/05/2010 02:50:29 PM 780 Views
... - 21/05/2010 08:23:08 PM 967 Views
There may be one explanation... - 13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM 793 Views
That doesn't make sense. - 13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM 920 Views
it was about more than just male channelers - 18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM 908 Views
Yes, that's true. - 18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM 925 Views
I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement - 20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM 824 Views
That's also true. - 20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM 811 Views
Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue - 20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM 811 Views
Why are they lumped together? - 12/05/2010 05:53:51 AM 1069 Views
for practical purposes - 12/05/2010 04:50:48 PM 779 Views
AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM 811 Views
Re: AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge. - 12/05/2010 11:05:17 PM 931 Views
No, I don't think so - 13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM 748 Views
Let's just say we disagree. - 17/05/2010 11:15:31 PM 899 Views
Bah! - 18/05/2010 04:33:40 PM 838 Views
Pfft - 18/05/2010 05:31:16 PM 839 Views
You don't have to intimidate people to manipulate them. - 19/05/2010 12:46:02 AM 688 Views

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