Let's face it, when we first saw Siuan she was awe inspiring. She was the personification of the ultimate Aes Sedai, and the most powerful person in the world before the arrival of Rand al Thor.
What struck me as totally counter productive and unbelievable, was how Siuan almost instantly lost all the respect of the Aes Sedai once she arrived in Salidar, post stilling.
I compare this to a situation where Abraham Lincoln suddenly appears in front of the US congress, having miraculously been revived from a 150 year magical stasis, only to be scoffed at and treated with disdain by the members of Congress.[/quote]
This is a ridiculous analogy. Siuan entering Salidar was not legendary politician whose mistakes have been erased by history and whose legacy is set in popular imagination.
Her mistakes were very much alive in the minds of these people.
More critically, a lot of the loss of respect is because Siuan can no longer channel. It is stupid, but makes complete sense given the mentality of the Aes Sedai. It was totally unsurprising and within character.
Well, she did have such a personality, but exercising it to the fullest extent needed her to have her channeling, her strength compared to other AS as well as her office.
She couldn't walk in a gentled refugee and start showing that she can still take command. That was the whole point of calling the chapter "The Practice of Diffidence".
What struck me as totally counter productive and unbelievable, was how Siuan almost instantly lost all the respect of the Aes Sedai once she arrived in Salidar, post stilling.
I compare this to a situation where Abraham Lincoln suddenly appears in front of the US congress, having miraculously been revived from a 150 year magical stasis, only to be scoffed at and treated with disdain by the members of Congress.[/quote]
This is a ridiculous analogy. Siuan entering Salidar was not legendary politician whose mistakes have been erased by history and whose legacy is set in popular imagination.
Her mistakes were very much alive in the minds of these people.
More critically, a lot of the loss of respect is because Siuan can no longer channel. It is stupid, but makes complete sense given the mentality of the Aes Sedai. It was totally unsurprising and within character.
You'd think that the Amyrlin had a personality that dwarfed that of normal Aes Sedai, but RJ totally destroyed that idea in his portrayal of Siuan after her stilling.
Well, she did have such a personality, but exercising it to the fullest extent needed her to have her channeling, her strength compared to other AS as well as her office.
She couldn't walk in a gentled refugee and start showing that she can still take command. That was the whole point of calling the chapter "The Practice of Diffidence".
Character discussion 2 : Siuan Sanche and Leane Sharif
09/05/2010 06:01:33 PM
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The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
09/05/2010 07:07:09 PM
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That's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 08:34:08 AM
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No, THAT's total nonsense...
10/05/2010 09:27:41 AM
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You seem to deal in bad analogies...
10/05/2010 05:14:47 PM
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You've got an irritating manner about you. No wonder you find Aes Sedai so believable.
10/05/2010 05:53:00 PM
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Hello Pot. I'm Kettle.
10/05/2010 06:41:58 PM
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Hello Kettle. I'm Frying pan
*NM*
11/05/2010 03:43:20 PM
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Hello Frying pan. I'm Skillet. *NM*
12/05/2010 11:50:33 PM
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Re: Hello Skillet, I'm a baking sheet can't we all have some cookies and get along? *NM*
17/05/2010 05:17:24 PM
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All of those people EARNED their positions by being the best, not a compromise candidate for office!
12/05/2010 04:36:36 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 04:23:07 AM
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Re: The "Shrinking of Siuan" after stilling destroyed my initial awe for the Amyrlin positition...
12/05/2010 06:33:37 AM
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They deserved to be deposed and stilled, I think ...
10/05/2010 02:47:35 PM
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"They"?
10/05/2010 05:16:54 PM
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Good point ...
10/05/2010 06:45:52 PM
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I don't know if I agree with this
11/05/2010 03:19:20 PM
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I like Leane, and respected Siuan until RJ mauled her character
10/05/2010 05:55:08 PM
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She was probably the sacrificial lamb in place of Moiraine
10/05/2010 06:25:39 PM
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The deck was certainly stacked against Siuan from the very beginning
11/05/2010 02:44:05 PM
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This is a main reason I hope Siuan and Leanne get their full strength restored
11/05/2010 02:25:31 PM
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I don't really agree
11/05/2010 05:35:44 PM
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I see your point and like I said, I think there are certainly other resolutions to the story line
11/05/2010 06:22:44 PM
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I'm still annoyed that Siuan is not going to face the consequences of lying about the Reds.
12/05/2010 05:18:47 AM
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In Egwene's defense, it would be hypocritical of her to bring that up after profiting from it
12/05/2010 05:59:57 AM
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Oh, I never expected Egwene to do something about this.
12/05/2010 06:12:35 AM
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Well she's off forging a relationship with the Asha'man - you know, useful stuff? *NM*
12/05/2010 06:39:04 AM
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Are you claiming that Pevara was the only woman in the entire Red Ajah to be offended by that lie? *NM*
12/05/2010 07:15:40 AM
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The Reds aren't petty
12/05/2010 04:52:50 PM
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Are you kidding?
12/05/2010 06:14:46 PM
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Unless of course there is truth to it
17/05/2010 01:50:27 PM
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There is none.
17/05/2010 07:09:59 PM
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Uhhh?
17/05/2010 08:45:15 PM
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...
17/05/2010 11:08:05 PM
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Re: ...
18/05/2010 05:25:33 AM
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Seriously, are you kidding? [EDIT]
18/05/2010 06:06:01 AM
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*sigh*
18/05/2010 12:30:43 PM
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So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 09:12:27 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
18/05/2010 10:25:19 PM
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Re: So, you're not kidding.
19/05/2010 12:41:09 AM
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On the minority thing...
18/05/2010 04:26:15 PM
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That's exactly the problem.
18/05/2010 08:51:45 PM
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Really do you have a quote supporting the fact that there has never been a FD supported by a Red?
18/05/2010 09:39:31 PM
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Of course..., I'll provide it as soon as you prove you're not a Nazi serial child rapist.
18/05/2010 10:06:23 PM
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why so pissy?
19/05/2010 03:34:22 PM
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Sorry.
20/05/2010 04:16:43 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:19:13 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 08:33:54 AM
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Re: Sorry.
20/05/2010 01:26:47 PM
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Interesting.
20/05/2010 07:34:45 PM
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Re: Interesting.
21/05/2010 05:07:07 AM
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No worries! I was just caught off guard by your response... sorry for your stress! *NM*
20/05/2010 10:04:35 PM
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There may be one explanation...
13/05/2010 10:04:46 PM
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That doesn't make sense.
13/05/2010 10:54:53 PM
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it was about more than just male channelers
18/05/2010 09:50:14 PM
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Yes, that's true.
18/05/2010 10:07:22 PM
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I'm also certain the majority of the Red had no clue/involvement
20/05/2010 10:24:54 PM
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That's also true.
20/05/2010 10:29:11 PM
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Okay I'm leaving you alone ... you clearly don't want to continue
20/05/2010 10:31:01 PM
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AS shrunk after stilling; Siuan and Leane became huge.
12/05/2010 10:50:50 PM
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No, I don't think so
13/05/2010 05:10:03 AM
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