How this is in any way relevant to the subject at hand escapes me, however. It is quite clear that the Forsaken had defective character from the onset, otherwise they would never have turned to the Shadow in the first place. You shouldn't be surprised that these defects can be exploited.
But sure, they're quite good at killing people.
But sure, they're quite good at killing people.
Well if warfare was all about "being good at killing people" i'd agree, however it isn't so i don't.
On the relevance, i saw the argument that it was logical put forth, and my opinion is it might be logical for the time predominately covered in the book, however, these characters have been around a lot longer than that (a lot of it is dreamless sleep i know) but none the less when i extrapolate it back(what i learned), for me it dopesn't make sense in the AoL. I also cannot understand why Graendal didn't see it after years, after all it's clearly highlighted throughout the books, how accomplished she is at understanding the human psyche.
Merely how i see things. I didn't like the scene.
EDIT: to add i thought very few of the forsaken were used as weapons in the AoL, didn't 2 run spy networks? Sure deamandred and sammael ran armies, be'al after he turned, Aginor was a biologist, Asmodean was some sort of govenor. In fact the rest seem to have been govenors, mostly.
So sure they might have been good at killing people, but if they were that's not really how they were used, they weren't used primarily as weapons, so i'm not sure how being good at killing people would make them so dangerous then and so useless now.
This message last edited by p hart on 09/05/2010 at 06:18:01 PM
Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words...
19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM
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The two of you are pathetic
19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM
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Your problem is...
19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM
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No.
20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM
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And now he's not "blind" anymore
20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM
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You know, I agree
19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM
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But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken.
20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM
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I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective
20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM
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I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM*
20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM
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I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?)
19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM
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And I agree with Rand al'Thor.
19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM
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I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM
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WoT isn't pure fantasy - it's humans within a fantasy world
20/11/2009 08:20:23 AM
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Oh, totally- but humans can act in more than one way. "Real" humans can be terrifying, too!
20/11/2009 08:33:53 AM
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I'm pretty sure that AS are meant to be a parable for the government...
21/11/2009 06:20:14 PM
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Re: I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore
08/05/2010 12:46:31 AM
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Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic.
19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM
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See my response to Cannoli. *NM*
19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM
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That was barely a response...
20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM
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There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress
20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM
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Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM
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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play.
08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
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Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM
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Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people.
09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM
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Actually, it's why they're still alive.
09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM
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Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive?
13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM
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Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD.
13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM
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It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power
21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM
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I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites.
19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM
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Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL.
19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM
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I agree with your second half
20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM
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I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage
20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM
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So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked?
20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM
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You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM
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Don't avoid the question...
20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM
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I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM
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Re: I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is
08/05/2010 01:07:13 AM
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20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM
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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it.
08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM
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Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne
22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM
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He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin .
22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM
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I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out
20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM
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The weird thing is, (or maybe not so weird), that I feel like she suffered the same way in tGS
20/11/2009 08:36:45 AM
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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and
08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
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How many people
08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM
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At least two.
10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM
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Re: At least two.
21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM
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Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order
21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM
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