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Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. p hart Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM
Sephiroth.


What does Mama's Boy have to do with this?

With the defanging of the Forsaken, Rand isn't left with any "dread" worthy opponents. Moridin's almost an anti-villian at this point. The DO is a faceless evil. The Seancean are a distraction- one that can do damage, but not horror-inducing. The various minions and monsters are bad, but not antagonist-worthy.

There's pretty much just Fain, who hasn't been doing much scheming lately, and the 'Finns, who are more of a Mat-centric antagonist.


So, yeah, the series... I don't know if "demeaned" is the word, but it was definitely lessened by the Semirhage sequence.


I'm actually surprised you thought Semirhage was a worthy villain before the spanking scene. I know I considered her a complete joke after Knife of Dreams, having gone through with what is presumably the absolute dumbest Forsaken plot to date. Her plan was so ridiculous that people were trying to preserve her image as a competent Forsaken by suggesting she meant to get captured.

Her humiliation in The Gathering Storm is completely appropriate. In the end, the heroes triumph over the villains, and how do you defeat a villain who is nothing more than an image? I mean, Semirhage had demonstrated her utter incompetence already, as I mentioned, all she had left was this delusion of adequacy. What was needed to complete the heroes' victory over her was to shatter that delusion and reveal the pathetic creature hiding behind the mask.

This doesn't reduce the value of Semirhage, such as it was, but only shows how awesome the protagonists were, that they could take on whatever obstacle Semirhage offered.


and how utterly useless the forces of good were in their fight against shadow, the forsaken were the elite the DO had, look at the state of them, apart from 1 really the rest are like a bunch of those apprentices on that reality show, with magic.

What happened to all the brainy people who invented all those great gadgets, it sure as hell wasn't the forsaken, the greatest psychologist of the AOL with years of close observance doesn't notice Semi's flaw, but picked up pretty quickly by cads.

There isn't a lot of "smart" characters in the WOT world, unlike say the "Storm King" in memory sorrow and thorn or a kelhus in Prince of nothing.

Defanging the Forsaken should logically go back to the AOL's and then i can't see how this bunch of neurotic bunglers could have ever gave anyone a challenge.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3057 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1554 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1464 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 666 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1252 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1160 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 557 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1273 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1245 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1172 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1137 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1223 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 1068 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 1037 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 603 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 1030 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 1050 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 987 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1164 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1217 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1063 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1128 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 530 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1108 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1081 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 994 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1124 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1268 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 602 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1213 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 650 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1076 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1090 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1152 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1094 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 1024 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 1044 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1078 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1066 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1118 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 1023 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1137 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 961 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 1012 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1099 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 1013 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 998 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 977 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 1063 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 858 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1132 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 598 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1107 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1177 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 1003 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 594 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1132 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 684 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1185 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 1020 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 1036 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 1054 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 898 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 983 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 1017 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1125 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1158 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1071 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 1055 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 1061 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 1058 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 978 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 1030 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 972 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 1026 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 1011 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1105 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1325 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 952 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1306 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 1021 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 891 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1153 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 1014 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1220 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1069 Views

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