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Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. p hart Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM

Moridin is far more evil than Semirhage. Semirhage likes torturing individuals. Moridin want's to kill all of humanity.

Would it give you satisfaction to see Cadsuane put pigtails in his hair, dress him in a nappy and slap his bottom because he was such a naughty boy?

My point is, evil should lose yes, but it should not be ridiculed. Else the story loses its suspense.

Semirhage being balefired is good. Semirhage being spanked like a little girl is a farce.


There are some themes in the book, and this one was pretty obvious. It's made clear over the course of several chapters that Semirhage cannot be broken or intimidated, and even from her own PoV she says that she was ready for hot coals and other torture and even looking forward to it. This was the dilemma posed to Cadsuane, who needed information from her. Cadsuane also found herself wondering about how similar she is to Semirhage.

Therefore, when Cadsuane figured out that losing her status as a legendary Aes Sedai was the worst nightmare she could experience, she applied it to Semirhage, who is extremely proud of her evil reputation. Therefore humiliation broke this legendary Forsaken. It even reduced her to tears.

It's therefore illogical to say that it would be offensive to see Moridin in pigtails. It's not about Cadsuane or Robert Jordan finding ways to humiliate the Shadow. It's about people trying to find ways to break the unbreakable. Rand had the same problem with Graendal - he couldn't find out how to destroy a sneaky woman who was more intelligent than him, and so he commited a mass atrocity.

This is why I am convinced Demandred is next - because where there is a source of intense hatred, it is easy to bait. Moghedien will once again be lured by revenge against Nynaeve and Cyndane against Rand. All the Forsaken have weaknesses, and that was Semirhage's.


I just think this obvious mega weakness would have been exposed fighting a massive war for so long, also since graendal knows more about the mind than anyone about, she should have noticed it, with several decades longer than Cads to work it out, put her over her knee and spanked her, that would have been logical. It's illogical that someone who is touted again and again as master of human motivation doesn't spot this massive fracture in someones psyche and exploit it. Yet Cads is onto it pretty quickly.

Also with all these weaknesses and character flaws, these people still gave as good as they got in the AOL war, were hugely feared by the best minds of the time, and who some knew before the turning etc, yet no doubt Rand will use these flaws to "flush them out" but the combined minds of the Aes Sedai in the AOL failed miserably to do that much against them for the longest time. Also with a few exceptions these guys were the ELITE, so god knows what flaws the subordinates had, also weird how over the years no one else noticed semi's flaw and maybe an underling exploiting it.

Obviously it's all subjective, but it certainly didn't make much sense to me, but hey folk see things differently.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3016 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1486 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1400 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 637 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1179 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1069 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 529 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1206 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1170 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1116 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1071 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1151 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 991 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 970 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 577 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 961 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 978 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 924 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1094 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1152 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1024 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1050 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 501 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1040 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1008 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 925 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1060 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1199 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 576 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1151 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 627 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1011 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1022 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1074 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 1004 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 950 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 979 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1012 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 1001 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1041 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 951 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1055 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 892 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 943 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1034 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 947 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 926 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 900 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 995 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 789 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1069 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 570 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1046 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1141 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 936 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 538 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1061 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 656 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1099 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 952 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 965 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 978 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 859 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 922 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 951 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1059 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1079 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1006 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 982 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 994 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 987 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 915 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 962 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 906 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 947 Views
Re: You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 08/05/2010 12:58:52 AM 8264 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 942 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1023 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1252 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 884 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1247 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 957 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 830 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1072 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 936 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1147 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 1000 Views

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