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Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and p hart Send a noteboard - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM
to begin with. They are power whores and were willing to sell their souls out for power. Most of them simply enjoy bullying and torturing others. with a few exceptions like Ishy and Demandred most of them are self-obsessed little children. The scene was excellent because it brought it to the forefront just why the shadow hasn't been more effective.

The second thing the scene did for us was give us a direct look into Cadsuane who has been one of the more hard to read figures in the entire series. Everyone has been wondering as to her true intentions since she first appeared. What exactly was she playing at all this time with her steely composure and her veins of ice?

We know now. She does have Rand's best intentions at heart as well as those of the Tower of course. Her internal dialogue in Bandar Eban while she watches Rand from a distance shows us that she is worried about him but she also respects him and what he has been able to accomplish without the Tower's guidance.

We also learn more specifically through the spanking incident that the same thing would break her. In other words she is composed by pure discipline and her perception of how others perceive her is of the utmost importance to her. It not because she has been hatching some secret plan behind that icy stare and demand for civility/respect all this time.

We learned more about the real Cadsuane and her motives in this book than the rest of the series put together. And that scene was vital to putting that picture together.


I cant wait till Rnd breaks Taim by pointing out his bald-patch, the shadow was succesful in the AOL, and these were pretty much the elite that were left, barring a few others hinted at. Why were they so succesful back then, but now 1960's child management techniques break the people who broke the world.

To be honest i think Rand missed a trick with greandal instead of slaughtering hundreds and almost fecking up the pattern, he should have sent the guy back with a note that said

Dear Gren

It seems the pattern has made your bum look big in that dress.

Yours The dragon Reborn

and while Greandal cried at how even years of service to the shadow hadn't stopped her butt enlarging, Rand can sneak in and take her.

Moridin is easy take out a go board and mock him for playing a shit basic game, take him out as he weeps.
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Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 19/11/2009 09:58:19 PM 3014 Views
The two of you are pathetic - 19/11/2009 10:09:34 PM 1484 Views
Your problem is... - 19/11/2009 10:21:40 PM 1396 Views
Well said. It takes something away from the story. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:34:41 PM 636 Views
No. - 20/11/2009 08:15:32 AM 1178 Views
And now he's not "blind" anymore - 20/11/2009 08:20:56 AM 1065 Views
*Cough* MoridinDemandredTaim *Cough* *NM* - 21/11/2009 06:16:14 PM 528 Views
*cough* philosopherguywhosdonenothingcrazyperson *cough* - 22/11/2009 05:19:20 PM 1203 Views
Well said. Compare her to, say, Mogheidan. - 20/11/2009 08:17:57 AM 1167 Views
True to a degree - 20/11/2009 08:26:20 AM 1114 Views
There's a little more to it as well - 20/11/2009 08:51:03 AM 1070 Views
You know, I agree - 19/11/2009 11:12:49 PM 1150 Views
But she gave us a clue as to how she might be broken. - 20/11/2009 08:17:04 AM 987 Views
I would love to see tSR and tFoH from Moiraine's perspective - 20/11/2009 08:22:55 AM 965 Views
I imagine it took A LOT of frustration and anger management. *NM* - 20/11/2009 08:27:13 AM 575 Views
I don't think Moiraine became meek at all - 20/11/2009 11:06:05 AM 958 Views
That's what I meant, actually - 21/11/2009 03:44:26 AM 975 Views
I don't think Rand will do it, though - 20/11/2009 11:10:27 AM 922 Views
Re: You know, I agree - 09/05/2010 09:08:58 PM 1090 Views
I agree with Cannoli completely. (Did I just say that?) - 19/11/2009 11:18:09 PM 1149 Views
And I agree with Rand al'Thor. - 19/11/2009 11:35:55 PM 1021 Views
And I agree with Fanatic-Templar. - 20/11/2009 10:40:26 PM 1045 Views
Ditto *NM* - 21/06/2010 01:15:04 PM 499 Views
I didn't like it for the same reason I don't like the Aes Sedai much anymore - 20/11/2009 07:40:31 AM 1038 Views
And also - 20/11/2009 11:08:39 AM 1004 Views
Actually, it did, but it didn't care about him at all. - 20/11/2009 10:21:02 PM 924 Views
Re: The two of you are pathetic - 08/05/2010 12:05:51 AM 1054 Views
personally, I loved the scene - 19/11/2009 10:10:44 PM 1195 Views
Agreed. I thought it worked. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:40:04 PM 574 Views
Are you feeling all right? If you are, Cannoli is right, and you're pathetic. - 19/11/2009 10:18:54 PM 1148 Views
See my response to Cannoli. *NM* - 19/11/2009 10:25:15 PM 623 Views
That was barely a response... - 20/11/2009 12:43:07 AM 1008 Views
There's always more than one way for a story to "logically" progress - 20/11/2009 08:07:44 AM 1020 Views
Re: That was barely a response... - 08/05/2010 12:24:55 AM 1073 Views
Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 08:01:17 AM 998 Views
On the other hand - 20/11/2009 11:13:54 AM 948 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 20/11/2009 10:50:07 PM 975 Views
Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 03:47:27 AM 1008 Views
Re: Yeah, Semi never got much screentime - 21/11/2009 04:09:26 AM 999 Views
Re: Evil IS cool! This is storytelling, not a morality play. - 08/05/2010 01:17:07 AM 1038 Views
Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 08/05/2010 06:47:35 AM 948 Views
Re: Oh, they're quite good at killing people. - 09/05/2010 06:09:38 PM 1050 Views
Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 09/05/2010 06:32:22 PM 888 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:15:19 AM 940 Views
Re: Actually, it's why they're still alive. - 21/06/2010 01:32:25 AM 1031 Views
Are they? Why are Mat, Perrin and the Wondergirls still alive? - 13/05/2010 12:47:57 AM 943 Views
Nobody's even tried to kill them since Ishamael died, until he gave the order again in KoD. - 13/05/2010 01:13:02 AM 925 Views
It'd be harder to kill them now as they have come into their own power - 21/06/2010 01:18:31 AM 896 Views
... - 21/06/2010 01:34:51 AM 993 Views
If they're good at killing people - 06/07/2010 10:00:41 PM 786 Views
I loved that scene - it's actually dog-eared because it's one of my favorites. - 19/11/2009 10:37:33 PM 1068 Views
exactly *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:06:48 PM 568 Views
Really liked her complaints about the food - 20/11/2009 10:42:57 PM 1044 Views
I'd love to see Mat spanking Caddy as he did Joline - 19/11/2009 10:48:21 PM 1139 Views
I'd like to see that too . - 19/11/2009 11:40:26 PM 934 Views
I actually think Mat needs a spanking. *NM* - 20/11/2009 10:23:46 PM 536 Views
I had no problem with the spanking... - 19/11/2009 11:07:07 PM 1060 Views
Best news I've heard all day *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:09:49 PM 654 Views
Actually... what happened to Semirhage was BEAUTIFUL. - 19/11/2009 11:28:29 PM 1094 Views
I agree with your second half - 20/11/2009 08:27:07 AM 949 Views
The Forsaken aren't lame, they just aren't that special - 20/11/2009 12:30:51 PM 961 Views
Their lack of special-ness has made them become lame villians - 21/11/2009 03:50:50 AM 977 Views
She is dead to me! - 20/11/2009 12:25:42 AM 856 Views
I agree with Cannoli and Fionwe's on the best way to handle Semirhage - 20/11/2009 04:17:41 AM 919 Views
Book 14 you think - 20/11/2009 04:55:29 AM 947 Views
So would you enjoy seeing Moridin pulled over Cadsuane's knee and spanked? - 20/11/2009 07:48:45 AM 1057 Views
You're upset about the spanking and have missed the reason for it. - 20/11/2009 03:05:50 PM 1076 Views
Don't avoid the question... - 20/11/2009 03:27:23 PM 1001 Views
I'm not avoiding anything, just pointing out how silly this post is - 20/11/2009 04:50:17 PM 980 Views
Hehe... - 20/11/2009 05:25:56 PM 991 Views
Re: Hehe... - 21/11/2009 10:44:06 AM 984 Views
- 20/11/2009 10:36:36 PM 911 Views
Hey now... imagine how Balthamel's fans feel - 21/11/2009 02:21:48 AM 960 Views
I think Aginor was the worst. - 21/11/2009 04:10:51 AM 904 Views
Re: - 21/11/2009 10:26:53 AM 942 Views
The thing that bothers me is that you're right - 20/11/2009 08:10:44 AM 938 Views
Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 21/11/2009 06:30:26 PM 1020 Views
Re: Except that Demandred is the one Darksider who knows about Elayne - 22/11/2009 10:13:44 AM 1249 Views
He was dispatched 'fairly easily' because he was betrayed by Moridin . - 22/11/2009 08:09:38 PM 880 Views
I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and why they sold out - 20/11/2009 04:21:36 AM 1043 Views
Re: I think it was an excellent look at just how pathetic most of the Forsaken are and - 08/05/2010 12:13:20 AM 984 Views
because thats what sadists are! - 20/11/2009 04:03:31 PM 1244 Views
How many people - 08/05/2010 12:30:17 AM 952 Views
At least two. - 10/05/2010 02:10:31 PM 828 Views
Re: At least two. - 21/06/2010 01:24:53 AM 1068 Views
Shame has traditionally been one of the greatest ways of enforcing public order - 21/06/2010 02:55:54 AM 934 Views
Re: Semirhage vs Cadsuane - in Sanderson's words... - 29/06/2010 10:29:51 PM 1145 Views
Cadsuane was brilliant in that scene. - 02/07/2010 12:41:06 AM 995 Views

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