The Song--how it worked and why it was lost - Edit 1
Before modification by saidarisnowtainted at 10/05/2010 09:56:52 PM
I posted here because i think it went to far off track from the post i was reading. Sorry about the spelling and grammar. Very little sleep.
Consider all the stuff we posted as to what we think of when we think of the song--
How can there be any words? If it had words nobody would know the language--do we really expect someone to find magic words that do the trick?
i think the key is that it doesnt have words but rather the participants involved and maybe the sound made is important.
the idea i'll explain also explains how the song was lost.
The song (seed song? song of growing? what was the full name?) may be the result of humans, ogier and Nym coming together and i dont know--harmonizing or something stupid. i dont know what they would need to do together, my theory stops there --that it does not have words and the three need to sing together for it to occur.
think of it as a phenominon (spelling!) rather than a tool.
The actual melody may not even matter.
The key is that each participant must be strongly aligned with creation for the song to work.
side note--for the idea please visualize the light vs dark as a color spectrum. white vs. dark at the farthest point with shading gray in between. hey if you can make that spectrum 3d i think you can argue it's how the wheel turns.
anyway. keeping the sword of truth in mind, think of the light as additive and black as subtractive. it works. creation vs. death.
i think it's correct to consider randland not just white and black, but rather in grays which are dynamic according to alignment based on addding life/creation vs. negating life/creation
A species can inherently tend towards one end of the spectrum vs. the other.
eg--Nym -- artificially constructed and add to life/growth
--vs.
--Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence
perhaps these artificial beings are very close to their respective ends of the spectrum b/c they were made by humans without other qualities that could bring you more in the middle based on the simplicity of their natures.
Honestly, I don’t understand enough about the Nym to theorize their involvement. They could have been a tool to make the song work.
Ogier -- support my theory-- b/c they sing wood--create art, ect. maybe even create new words. they live a long time.
-- hurts my theory--they are violent when they need to be, and even kill, however it isnt easy to get them there.
-- REBUT myself--ignoring deatwatch issue--i dont see randland ogier killing anything other than shadowspawn. maybe that doesnt count b/c by reducing inherently dark constructs is a positive (2 negatives)
-- My conclusion maybe they are not as light as nym but still inherently pure enough for my idea to work.
humans--i think humanity is best reprsented on the light dark chart as a bell curve that is mostly in the middle and thins out but doesnt get quite close to either extreme. this is caused by our nature and how and how often we both create and destroy.
Now, with the color chart in mind, consider what you get when you follow the way of the leaf? maybe since birth?
with the way of the leaf, you reject subtractive conduct and perhaps devote to additive. i think we've seen both. e.g. tinker that doesnt fight or eat meat but isnt very nice or honest/will sick the dogs on you isnt as pure as an (original) aiel that sacrifices their life to heal a chanelling madman
Basically, a full follower would stand as an absolute unique human standing above the rest on this scale. they would achieve maximum creative alignment for a human.
the Song requires not only the 3 species to sing together. They have to be aligned enough with creation to work.
following--the song wont work if all 3 arent there. also it wont work if a required participant doesnt meet the creator-threshold.
which means, in order for there to be "singing" there must be humans that follow the way of the leaf.
This can explain why and how the song was forgotten. Nuthin to remember but the right people coming together.
if it can only be sung as stated above, it is reasonable to conclude that the song stopped occurring after the Aiel dropped the way of the leaf.
it is reasonable to consider that, over thousands of years and all those generations of Aiel, the song would be lost
Moreover, given the span of time, and considering the upheavel of the world while the memory was fresh--the history of the song could have faded into mere legend in that much time in being remembered but not touched.
Consider all the stuff we posted as to what we think of when we think of the song--
How can there be any words? If it had words nobody would know the language--do we really expect someone to find magic words that do the trick?
i think the key is that it doesnt have words but rather the participants involved and maybe the sound made is important.
the idea i'll explain also explains how the song was lost.
The song (seed song? song of growing? what was the full name?) may be the result of humans, ogier and Nym coming together and i dont know--harmonizing or something stupid. i dont know what they would need to do together, my theory stops there --that it does not have words and the three need to sing together for it to occur.
think of it as a phenominon (spelling!) rather than a tool.
The actual melody may not even matter.
The key is that each participant must be strongly aligned with creation for the song to work.
side note--for the idea please visualize the light vs dark as a color spectrum. white vs. dark at the farthest point with shading gray in between. hey if you can make that spectrum 3d i think you can argue it's how the wheel turns.
anyway. keeping the sword of truth in mind, think of the light as additive and black as subtractive. it works. creation vs. death.
i think it's correct to consider randland not just white and black, but rather in grays which are dynamic according to alignment based on addding life/creation vs. negating life/creation
A species can inherently tend towards one end of the spectrum vs. the other.
eg--Nym -- artificially constructed and add to life/growth
--vs.
--Ogier--artificially constructed and clearly bad--killing/violence
perhaps these artificial beings are very close to their respective ends of the spectrum b/c they were made by humans without other qualities that could bring you more in the middle based on the simplicity of their natures.
Honestly, I don’t understand enough about the Nym to theorize their involvement. They could have been a tool to make the song work.
Ogier -- support my theory-- b/c they sing wood--create art, ect. maybe even create new words. they live a long time.
-- hurts my theory--they are violent when they need to be, and even kill, however it isnt easy to get them there.
-- REBUT myself--ignoring deatwatch issue--i dont see randland ogier killing anything other than shadowspawn. maybe that doesnt count b/c by reducing inherently dark constructs is a positive (2 negatives)
-- My conclusion maybe they are not as light as nym but still inherently pure enough for my idea to work.
humans--i think humanity is best reprsented on the light dark chart as a bell curve that is mostly in the middle and thins out but doesnt get quite close to either extreme. this is caused by our nature and how and how often we both create and destroy.
Now, with the color chart in mind, consider what you get when you follow the way of the leaf? maybe since birth?
with the way of the leaf, you reject subtractive conduct and perhaps devote to additive. i think we've seen both. e.g. tinker that doesnt fight or eat meat but isnt very nice or honest/will sick the dogs on you isnt as pure as an (original) aiel that sacrifices their life to heal a chanelling madman
Basically, a full follower would stand as an absolute unique human standing above the rest on this scale. they would achieve maximum creative alignment for a human.
the Song requires not only the 3 species to sing together. They have to be aligned enough with creation to work.
following--the song wont work if all 3 arent there. also it wont work if a required participant doesnt meet the creator-threshold.
which means, in order for there to be "singing" there must be humans that follow the way of the leaf.
This can explain why and how the song was forgotten. Nuthin to remember but the right people coming together.
if it can only be sung as stated above, it is reasonable to conclude that the song stopped occurring after the Aiel dropped the way of the leaf.
it is reasonable to consider that, over thousands of years and all those generations of Aiel, the song would be lost
Moreover, given the span of time, and considering the upheavel of the world while the memory was fresh--the history of the song could have faded into mere legend in that much time in being remembered but not touched.