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The Foresaken had their permission revoked, but the DO can enact consequences on them... FanEditor10 Send a noteboard - 29/04/2010 04:35:27 AM
I know some readers think that the villains in WoT are lame, but come on!

The DO is not going to allow his own power to destroy him. When he detects Rand close to Shayol Ghul, he will end Rand's access to the TP.

That is if the sane Rand even thinks of using the TP again, which is highly doubtful.


Once the permission is given, the channeler has access to the True Power. He doesn't need permission every time. Demandred said he could use it when he needed it. Rand can do the same, unless the Dark One deliberately shuts him off, which I think he will forget to do.

Not only that, but Rand might have channeled through Moridin, in which case the Dark One is really screwed.


I have only ready tGS once so far so maybe I missed something, but my impression wasn't that it was IMPOSSIBLE to use the TP without the DO's permission, but that the Foresaken, the only living people other than Rand who have ever accessed it, will not TRY to use it without the DO's permission. After all, if they piss him off he can just kill them. That's a pretty hard taskmaster.

And where in the novel did it ever indicate that Rand was channeling the TP through Moridin OR that he had the DO's permission? In his own darkest hour watching the woman he loves dying, in the deadness of his soul at that moment the TP flooded into him. It would make sense then that, just like Saidin or Saidar, at need and under the right emotional circumstances the TP would be available without any conscious thought of the Dark One.

And Moridin, if I recall correctly, was nowhere near him. Semhirage was, I believe, the one trying to kill Min, but you cannot draw any power through a person who is far away from you.

I think the True Power is just a force that exists, like the One Power, but the One Power is the Creator's power, and the True Power is the Dark one's power. Under the right circumstances anyone could use it, but the people under the DO's control won't risk his ire. If this is true, then the Dark One CAN'T cut off Rand's use. But you guys may have a point about it not being useful to kill or imprison the Dark One.
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Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 03:05:52 PM 990 Views
I agree with you - 30/10/2009 03:24:22 PM 1108 Views
don't forget you can't touch the true power without the DO's permission - 30/10/2009 03:31:25 PM 947 Views
I think he will overlook it - 30/10/2009 03:46:25 PM 922 Views
It also might be that Rand used Moridin as a conduit, making the DO's permission irrelevant. - 30/10/2009 03:58:04 PM 876 Views
Indeed... Moridin is definitely worried about the connection - 30/10/2009 03:59:59 PM 978 Views
Right - 30/10/2009 04:06:26 PM 1076 Views
Seems to me destroying the DO with balefire would take a force equal to his. - 06/11/2009 09:57:47 AM 719 Views
Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 03:28:06 PM 2049 Views
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Re: True Power, Ilyena, and significance of the Choedan Kal - 30/10/2009 09:48:46 PM 861 Views
where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? - 30/10/2009 10:12:00 PM 735 Views
Re: where'd you get the number of Rand's Asha'man? - 31/10/2009 12:28:48 AM 749 Views
I must be confused then - 30/10/2009 06:11:38 PM 829 Views
No... you're right. - 30/10/2009 07:02:05 PM 788 Views
Hello! The TP can only be used with permission! - 30/10/2009 10:45:58 PM 873 Views
Nope - 31/10/2009 05:18:03 AM 1260 Views
I'm sorry that's wrong... - 31/10/2009 08:58:14 AM 790 Views
Believe what you want - 31/10/2009 09:08:52 AM 794 Views
No, he's right - 31/10/2009 04:59:34 PM 925 Views
That's what I said *NM* - 31/10/2009 05:24:55 PM 382 Views
I don't need your permission for that... - 31/10/2009 09:57:34 PM 727 Views
Re: I don't need your permission for that... - 01/11/2009 06:54:20 AM 722 Views
You are incorrect - 27/12/2009 10:44:36 PM 724 Views
you're counting on the DO of being absent minded? - 17/04/2010 10:59:41 PM 685 Views
The Foresaken had their permission revoked, but the DO can enact consequences on them... - 29/04/2010 04:35:27 AM 825 Views
I think using the TP against the DO is wishful thinking. - 31/10/2009 04:33:33 PM 798 Views
Generally agree. - 06/11/2009 09:07:57 AM 838 Views

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