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The question isn't if it would be possible for the Creator... Etzel Send a noteboard - 23/04/2010 08:34:23 AM
But given the concept of infinity and endlessly cyclical time, I believe that this 'first' Age, when the Creator created everything, is not actually the first because in order to have infinite cycles, an infinite past had to be created along with an infinite future.


The 7 spoked Wheel is basically an image for a cosmic loom, which bit by bit creates the respective Pattern of each Age. There must have been a time, when the weaving of the Pattern started, after the Creator placed the Wheel, and thus there must have been a "first 1st Age", a "first 2nd Age", and so on.


Why do you assume it is impossible for the Creator to create infinite time going backward in time, but possible to create infinite time going forward?


But if he actually did this. As far as we know from RJ about the cosmology of the WoT, the Pattern is gradually "woven" by the Wheel. This implies - of course - a first 1st Age, even if this Age and all following Ages are then endlessly repeated. The Creator didn't already create the full Pattern with all of the past and future from the start.
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thinking on the 4th-7th and 1st ages.... mazza3 - 21/04/2010 10:32:38 PM 1260 Views
Re: thinking on the 4th-7th and 1st ages.... GateKeeper - 22/04/2010 12:54:27 AM 906 Views
Re: thinking on the 4th-7th and 1st ages.... Kieran - 22/04/2010 07:06:52 AM 668 Views
I don't know that there could really be a first or last Age... Fanatic-Templar - 22/04/2010 07:48:11 AM 782 Views
Yeah, it's the "third age"... DomA - 22/04/2010 02:13:56 PM 755 Views
Difficult to see how you can refer to a billion people as a "fringe"... *NM* Shannow - 22/04/2010 05:02:08 PM 341 Views
You really think half of all christians believe that Earth is only 3000 years old? *NM* Japhy - 23/04/2010 12:35:01 AM 347 Views
Last I've heard, the majority of Christians weren't fundamentalists DomA - 23/04/2010 01:54:04 PM 664 Views
How about "living on the fringe of reality"? *NM* Marshall - 24/04/2010 10:21:17 PM 343 Views
That's not entirely right Etzel - 22/04/2010 03:54:23 PM 708 Views
I think FT is saying that human conceptions of time don't apply to eternity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:14:45 PM 648 Views
However, I think RJ definitely had an idea, what each Age of the 7 Ages is supposed to be. *NM* Etzel - 22/04/2010 09:53:20 PM 320 Views
I don't think so. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 09:57:43 PM 619 Views
No, the point is... Etzel - 23/04/2010 10:06:03 AM 689 Views
Not sure what your point/question is. Doesn't seem like an issue to me quite frankly . RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/04/2010 04:45:21 PM 702 Views
The question is... Etzel - 26/04/2010 05:08:48 PM 634 Views
I agree with FT RugbyPlayingAshaman - 26/04/2010 06:28:29 PM 792 Views
Well, maybe. Fanatic-Templar - 22/04/2010 06:32:05 PM 676 Views
Doesn't make sense Etzel - 22/04/2010 09:51:55 PM 621 Views
Why? Fanatic-Templar - 22/04/2010 11:16:21 PM 641 Views
Ok File Leader - 23/04/2010 12:15:03 AM 642 Views
The question isn't if it would be possible for the Creator... Etzel - 23/04/2010 08:34:23 AM 641 Views
Yes, but as we also know from the cosmology of WoT... Fanatic-Templar - 23/04/2010 09:08:58 AM 698 Views
Yeah... Etzel - 23/04/2010 10:03:19 AM 653 Views
Why must there have been such a thing? Fanatic-Templar - 23/04/2010 07:30:02 PM 654 Views
So, you believe there never was a first 1st Age? *NM* Etzel - 24/04/2010 08:55:45 AM 346 Views
Yes and no... Fanatic-Templar - 24/04/2010 10:55:02 PM 623 Views
Don't think so, but might be an interesting question for BS! *NM* Etzel - 25/04/2010 09:38:09 AM 313 Views
True that. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 25/04/2010 06:30:03 PM 371 Views
Yes there was a first age, no it is not a loop. Kieran - 23/04/2010 01:49:45 AM 702 Views
More change? Fanatic-Templar - 23/04/2010 05:03:22 AM 602 Views
Re: More change? Kieran - 24/04/2010 01:25:22 AM 634 Views
On the Ages... Etzel - 22/04/2010 02:16:38 PM 935 Views
Re: On the Ages... Kieran - 23/04/2010 01:54:16 AM 647 Views
Re: thinking on the 4th-7th and 1st ages.... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:09:32 PM 755 Views
Nah, it's just a Tolkien rip-off... ursidae - 22/04/2010 06:05:50 PM 1079 Views
Re: thinking on the 4th-7th and 1st ages.... gjjfh - 23/04/2010 04:15:49 AM 691 Views
Can't be... Etzel - 23/04/2010 08:27:29 AM 670 Views
Yeah, but Loial apparently read a copy of The Lord of the Rings somewhere... Fanatic-Templar - 23/04/2010 09:11:00 AM 715 Views
It's reversed... Etzel - 23/04/2010 10:10:56 AM 775 Views
I doubt it, I don't have the books with me right now... Fanatic-Templar - 23/04/2010 07:31:34 PM 716 Views
I don't think that's right. *NM* Etzel - 24/04/2010 08:57:45 AM 675 Views
You're right, that is not referenced in the book. Fanatic-Templar - 25/04/2010 06:34:29 PM 623 Views
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