but it is wrong to deny the legal ramifications of marriage
LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 10/01/2010 04:19:02 AM
I'm referring to the various rights and privileges that a legal marriage bestows, such as visitation rights, adoption and legal powers. How much would remain unchanged if we did not grant people equal rights since it would force others to be unsettled with the change? If we went along with your argument (if I understand it correctly), we would still have slaves, women still would not vote, and we would still have the Prohibition. Would you have justified maintaining segregation based on "oh it would make the white people uncomfortable "? If an employer is racist or sexist, should he be allowed to deny wage and benefits to his colored or women workers? If a doctor disapproves of biracial marriages, should he be permitted to refuse to accept the insurance of his patient's spouse? Should he be permitted to deny the spouse's decisions in regards to the care of said spouse? Why is it more ethical to deny someone health insurance on the sole basis of the insurer disapproving of the gender of one's spouse? Do you also suggest that if an entity truly believes that blondes are idiots, it is ethical to refuse to employ people based on their hair color?
"forcing an employer to extend remuneration to a party because of a relationship that violates the employer's beliefs, etc"
Does this mean Christians need not extend insurance to Jews? If I was a Wiccan and you were my employer, you need not extend me the full benefits of similarly ranked and skilled employees? I'm certain, then, you would not mind if a doctor refused to treat your children because they were raised in a Christian household? And it is perfectly acceptable for a policeman to refuse to stop a homeless person from being robbed if they hate hobos.
Is it more ethical to let one's spouse lie ill because they cannot afford separate health insurance and an employer disapproves of their sexual orientation than for the employer to get all huffy about given the same benefits as they would give to a heterosexual couple? A century ago, it would have been a biracial couple, but if an employer did that now would you find it acceptable?
"forcing an employer to extend remuneration to a party because of a relationship that violates the employer's beliefs, etc"
Does this mean Christians need not extend insurance to Jews? If I was a Wiccan and you were my employer, you need not extend me the full benefits of similarly ranked and skilled employees? I'm certain, then, you would not mind if a doctor refused to treat your children because they were raised in a Christian household? And it is perfectly acceptable for a policeman to refuse to stop a homeless person from being robbed if they hate hobos.
Is it more ethical to let one's spouse lie ill because they cannot afford separate health insurance and an employer disapproves of their sexual orientation than for the employer to get all huffy about given the same benefits as they would give to a heterosexual couple? A century ago, it would have been a biracial couple, but if an employer did that now would you find it acceptable?
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Suspension of Disbelief with Politics
05/01/2010 06:46:53 PM
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I don't completely agree, but this is similar to everyone retroactively hating Tom Cruise's movies.
05/01/2010 08:47:19 PM
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I always thought that was just stupid of people (and that includes 3/4 of my family)
09/01/2010 05:27:41 PM
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LOL...~hands Dannymac a clue~
06/01/2010 04:51:43 AM
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Just judging him based on what he writes...
06/01/2010 04:17:49 PM
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Then read what he writes. I read him every week and he IS a liberal.
09/01/2010 11:45:41 PM
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Wait...I support same-sex marriage. Just not all that other crap.
07/01/2010 06:18:40 AM
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trespasses against persons is subjective.
07/01/2010 07:09:22 AM
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Actually, it isn't.
07/01/2010 03:46:30 PM
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ah I wasn't aware you were referring to a legal term
07/01/2010 05:37:10 PM
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Considering that it's made-up BS, why should it be?
09/01/2010 11:01:31 PM
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what about those not capable of walking away?
10/01/2010 03:51:10 AM
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Who has the right to say a parent is abusing the child, and what prevents abuses the other way?
10/01/2010 09:13:45 AM
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Re: trespasses against persons is subjective.
09/01/2010 11:12:57 PM
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but it is wrong to deny the legal ramifications of marriage
10/01/2010 04:19:02 AM
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Civics & economics 101
10/01/2010 08:47:07 AM
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That's not Economics 101. That's practically Anarcho-capitalism.
13/01/2010 11:54:22 PM
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Duh.
14/01/2010 03:00:56 AM
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The existence of that right isn't what I'm arguing.
18/01/2010 09:01:07 AM
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I'll agree to the trespass against persons
09/01/2010 06:07:29 PM
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What bullshit you write.
10/01/2010 01:30:02 AM
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He's such a parody of himself, one wonders if he's not a fake identity created by rightists. *NM*
10/01/2010 05:14:31 AM
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So what you're saying is people shouldn't take movies to heart ?
06/01/2010 01:39:21 PM
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That's just the point.
06/01/2010 04:15:48 PM
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indeed. they are not "soldiers"
07/01/2010 07:12:32 AM
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that's a weasel script
07/01/2010 09:55:13 AM
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I completely disagree with you about Avatar.
06/01/2010 02:18:22 PM
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would you have felt better if they were albino aliens?
07/01/2010 07:16:20 AM
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You really have a habit of missing the point of my posts in the name of snide remarks.
07/01/2010 03:47:36 PM
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It's just simplistic. Like a Disney movie, but no songs. What really bugs me is that the Company
08/01/2010 08:48:32 AM
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You know what it is for me...
06/01/2010 07:37:10 PM
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That's totally what it is, hah
08/01/2010 08:57:10 AM
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See...that's where I'm different.
08/01/2010 03:33:30 PM
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Uh oh, you used the "c" word...
08/01/2010 07:47:40 PM
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I hate it when you sound like an actual preacher
08/01/2010 10:03:28 PM
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Aw, I liked some of those sentences.
08/01/2010 11:07:15 PM
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Isn't that a Bible quote? *NM*
09/01/2010 12:33:51 AM
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That seems like a pretty dangerous philosophy.
09/01/2010 06:24:35 AM
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Agreed. It also sounds absurd. I have +2 Armor of Christ. How about you? *NM*
10/01/2010 06:42:24 PM
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Ok, so apart from political subtexts,
07/01/2010 05:40:28 AM
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You have to admire the world building though
07/01/2010 07:27:13 AM
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And why is it that anyone who can <spoilers!>
08/01/2010 09:03:45 AM
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Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had.
08/01/2010 04:59:16 PM
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You're looking at it from the outsider point of view
08/01/2010 10:12:15 PM
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I don't buy it.
09/01/2010 06:29:07 AM
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Especially with the warrior tribe mentality they all have!
10/01/2010 08:25:57 PM
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if there were all these hotshot warriors trying
11/01/2010 12:22:19 AM
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Re: Exactly! *Same spoilers ^he^ had.
09/01/2010 01:27:59 PM
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It's pretty easy to conquer one of those things
10/01/2010 08:27:20 PM
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