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I agree with your social commentary about the movie as ideological mirror for Cameron. *NM* The Shrike Send a noteboard - 28/12/2009 05:09:56 AM
As far as the special effects go, they were good, but so what? Remember in Star Trek the Motion Picture, when the Star Trek production people were so excited to actually have a special effect budget beyond foam rocks they spent roughly half the movie lingering over multiple angles of the Enterprise and stuff like that? We have some of the same thing going on here. Basically, the nerds are showing off their CGI-rendered world and their abilities to show it from multiple angles. But you know what? They still haven't corrected the major problem where characters can't touch things, or especially pick up objects realistically. Anyway, I never really cared about special effects, being happy to concede the fourth wall and move on to the characters and story, and accept the shortcomings of human beings to show certain things, just as Shakespeare asks the audience to do in Henry V.

As for the imbecilic ending - first of all, as in the third Brendan Fraser Mummy movie, I found myself admiring the evil general more than the good guys, since he clearly had the biggest pair of cojones in the film. Despite the myriad environmental and plot-device advantages enjoyed by the good guys in both films, the evil general took them right down to the wire. What is so heroic about killing a smaller, weaker person, who needs a gas mask to survive in the environment, when you have that same environment on your side, as well as a genetically engineered body that is twice his size? His toughness is EARNED through ongoing workouts, while the "hero" is tough because he had a custom-made superhuman body.

Anyway, once the good guys win and defeat the humans and save their magic tree, there is a scene of them escorting the evil humans off-planet and the smug narrator talking about how the "aliens were sent back to their dying planet." Oh, really? And these numbskulls think they won? An appropriate analogy would be a 300-lb serial rapist, recently released from prison where he was the inter-penitentiary weight-lifting champ, cornering a 100-lbs Hooters waitress in a dark alley with no one else within miles of them. He pats her butt, she pushes his hand away and slaps his face and spits in his eye. Fade to black, end credits, happy ending! Except we KNOW what is likely to happen next! Avatar does the same thing and the monkey-cat people of Pandora are not going to fare any better than our plucky heroine in the alley.

Basically, gathering the Pandorans (I forget their retarded species name) of three nations produced a force that was almost sufficient to get itself killed while doing negligible damage to a glorified security detail with light vehicles and small arms. They were able to win by calling on the fauna of the region to save them, thanks to their Great White Hope managing to better commune with their nature-goddess than their own pseudo-clergy, and some heroics from human defectors (notice how the indigenous people always need someone from the "white" people to win in these fantasies, but in real life, the white guys win with the help of natives who come over to their side? ). And now, the evil greedy humans are going to slink home with their tails between their legs and rot on their apparently dying planet? The HELL they will! You KNOW they'll be back with more than infantry and support vehicles! The Pandorans don't stand a prayer against futuristic tanks, artillery and REAL air power! Hell, a company of contemporary M1 Abrams tanks could go through that entire force like a hot knife through butter, and there would not be a whole hell of a lot the human collaborationists could do with their two rifles, five radios, three grenades and one tilt-rotor helicopter.

As it was, with their tiny force and a jury-rigged field expedient bomb, the humans came within seconds of blowing up the main server of their little biological internet. How would the Pandorans stop them if they used a jet bomber with a REAL "daisy-cutter" bomb, or a MOAB or a fuel-air bomb, or a nuke? How would they stop a precision-guided cruise missile? Heck, even as it is, the humans, having a spaceship in orbit, possess the capability of dropping a kinetic-energy weapon on their heads. Does anyone remember the LAST Sigourney Weaver-James Cameron collaboration? With the line: "I say we...nuke the site from orbit." What happened, Jimbo? So busy promoting your laughable anti-Christian documentary that you didn't have time to remember things you knew back when you made good movies, where you would make Bill Paxton look like an ass and kill that freckled chick? These hippies are getting kind of idiotic with their constant insistance that people and corporations are vile and greedy and would do anything at all to make a buck, expect push past their very first setback when their plans are barely thwarted by a plucky idealist with almost no resources. Somehow, the hippies who make movies always believe that is enough to get the corporations to take a hit on their quarterly reports and throw in the towel. In real life, when Livingston disappears exploring Africa, Stanly comes looking for him. When the Zulus slaughter the English at Islanlwana, the English then pile them up like cordwood at Rorke's Drift and go on to win the war. Crazy Horse & Sitting Bull massacre Custer, and end up murdered in virtual captivity. I'm betting a realistic "Avatar 2" wouldn't have nearly so 'happy' an ending as this one.
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"Avatar" discussion thread - 17/12/2009 08:10:04 AM 2311 Views
Innovative world-building sci-fi, dull cliched story - 17/12/2009 01:13:47 PM 991 Views
Agreed for the most part... - 17/12/2009 11:05:27 PM 981 Views
Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? *NM* - 18/12/2009 03:33:58 AM 532 Views
*snorts* *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:03:05 AM 411 Views
Re: Doesn't that last paragraph describe Star Wars? - 18/12/2009 09:49:23 AM 910 Views
Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. *NM* - 18/12/2009 09:06:18 PM 423 Views
Re: Star Wars had many things. Good characters was not one of them. - 19/12/2009 02:57:43 AM 880 Views
Avatar is basically Return of the Jedi, at least the part on Endor. But less militarily plausible - 19/12/2009 02:22:35 AM 1106 Views
Watch the movie again. - 19/12/2009 03:08:05 AM 1100 Views
It's a watered-down Dune. *NM* - 21/12/2009 08:41:39 AM 626 Views
What struck me the most about this movie... - 22/12/2009 01:25:00 AM 951 Views
Predictable with a tired & preachy plot. (spoilers) Also, the ending was completely ludicrous. - 19/12/2009 03:02:21 AM 1369 Views
You need help *NM* - 19/12/2009 07:33:52 AM 657 Views
A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 20/12/2009 05:07:59 AM 949 Views
Re: A rebuttal! For the points I disagree with, anyway. - 21/12/2009 08:48:55 PM 1036 Views
It would help if you'd leave my quotes by the arguments, but whatever. - 22/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 932 Views
Heh... - 29/12/2009 11:01:41 PM 903 Views
wow, you really do need help - 21/12/2009 07:23:12 AM 1132 Views
If the bad guy has all the stones and still loses, how heroic were the heroes? - 21/12/2009 08:53:00 PM 964 Views
Wow...you're serious? Really?? - 22/12/2009 04:56:20 PM 892 Views
lol - 22/12/2009 04:59:47 PM 850 Views
That's uncalled for IMO - 25/12/2009 09:04:01 PM 1053 Views
I am pretty sure she refered to the fact that he sheered for the bad guys and wished the Na'vi ill. - 25/12/2009 09:19:32 PM 905 Views
He didn't cheer for them - 26/12/2009 01:05:40 AM 890 Views
...an attitude I always found a bit worrisome, too *NM* - 26/12/2009 11:48:40 AM 528 Views
I tend to agree - 21/12/2009 03:23:54 PM 860 Views
I thought the same things, but... - 25/12/2009 08:29:09 PM 883 Views
I agree with your social commentary about the movie as ideological mirror for Cameron. *NM* - 28/12/2009 05:09:56 AM 555 Views
A fun time. Predictable, but not in a bad way. Minor Spoilers. - 19/12/2009 03:05:19 AM 863 Views
you said Fern Gully ^_^ - 19/12/2009 09:01:58 PM 894 Views
Spectacular - 19/12/2009 02:54:53 PM 947 Views
A wonder of a movie experience *minor spoilers* - 19/12/2009 08:47:06 PM 986 Views
Very good and fun, but not world-shattering. - 19/12/2009 11:19:26 PM 1183 Views
Has anyone seen this in 3D and not enjoyed it?? - 20/12/2009 06:11:52 PM 986 Views
Cannoli, presumably. *NM* - 20/12/2009 10:41:48 PM 632 Views
Sure make fun of the visually impaired, asshole. - 21/12/2009 08:57:33 PM 945 Views
Yeah, that's totally what I was doing. - 21/12/2009 11:59:26 PM 992 Views
Do you buy them from antique shops? *NM* - 22/12/2009 01:10:12 AM 550 Views
Does this include the new 3D? - 22/12/2009 01:17:07 AM 1078 Views
same here - 22/12/2009 02:59:32 PM 782 Views
I'm tempted to make a joke about the depth of your posts. *NM* - 22/12/2009 04:31:04 AM 434 Views
is that what we are calling tunnel vision these days? *NM* - 24/12/2009 07:04:08 PM 541 Views
Dammit! So much better than mine. *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:19:19 AM 491 Views
Saw it with my family. - 20/12/2009 09:10:56 PM 834 Views
Sci-fi Pocahontas - 21/12/2009 01:12:02 AM 974 Views
My friend and I spent the whole movie - 07/01/2010 12:50:56 AM 800 Views
Oh so you're the kind of movie-goer in the seat behind me... - 07/01/2010 11:20:56 AM 778 Views
No way! - 07/01/2010 03:48:48 PM 707 Views
that you mock at all is incredibly disrespectful - 07/01/2010 05:31:55 PM 884 Views
You're overreacting. - 07/01/2010 06:20:06 PM 843 Views
You said you do it quietly - 07/01/2010 08:18:07 PM 859 Views
Fair enough, fair enough. *NM* - 07/01/2010 08:57:23 PM 553 Views
Except maybe the purist who really needs to be kept in a total sensory deprivation chamber. *NM* - 08/01/2010 10:51:58 PM 452 Views
Nothing's more satisfying that seeing and hearing the crowd around you react like you do - 09/01/2010 01:36:36 PM 772 Views
*NM* - 09/01/2010 03:59:28 PM 500 Views
You should never watch a movie with me. - 10/01/2010 01:23:30 AM 873 Views
There's a gentlebot to see you, says his name is Tom Servo. - 08/01/2010 03:59:34 AM 875 Views
3D IMAX is worth the extra money... - 21/12/2009 08:40:57 AM 930 Views
The only thing I am upset about - 21/12/2009 09:38:17 AM 1099 Views
Oh yeah, that puppy's been selling out like crazy. - 22/12/2009 12:01:18 AM 774 Views
Visually stunning. - 24/12/2009 02:12:42 PM 789 Views
As usual, Hollywood shoves an ideology down peoples' throats. *NM* - 26/12/2009 04:30:20 AM 411 Views
Once they've paid their ten bucks to get in. *NM* - 27/12/2009 04:31:59 AM 494 Views
A good ideology assault doesn't come cheap! *NM* - 28/12/2009 10:03:08 AM 498 Views
$14 evening show with 3D glasses. *NM* - 29/12/2009 07:15:03 AM 600 Views
one point i haven't seen discussed yet.... - 26/12/2009 05:43:05 AM 1057 Views
It stinks!! *NM* - 26/12/2009 05:51:30 AM 632 Views
So, a silly thing I found distracting... - 29/12/2009 07:26:02 AM 938 Views
that caught my eye too - 29/12/2009 07:36:46 AM 836 Views
A silly thing I found distracting was that the aliens were humanoid. *NM* - 29/12/2009 09:48:46 AM 573 Views
Umm you would rather watch non-humanoid aliens? Yeah thats fun *NM* - 29/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 469 Views
*sigh* - 30/12/2009 11:09:16 AM 802 Views
Yes. Yes. - 01/01/2010 08:19:58 AM 861 Views
I have missed you so much on this site. *NM* - 02/01/2010 04:13:56 AM 436 Views
well. it's not necessarily erroneous either. - 30/12/2009 06:28:57 AM 788 Views
See my response to Dark Knight above. *NM* - 30/12/2009 11:11:27 AM 489 Views
ah okay. carry on then *NM* - 30/12/2009 04:44:12 PM 559 Views
Yes. - 03/01/2010 05:08:17 PM 899 Views
I believe she was speaking about their tails. - 07/01/2010 07:37:46 AM 780 Views
If I remember it was the "USB Plug" in their hair. *NM* - 08/01/2010 08:29:38 AM 596 Views
Yep - 08/01/2010 09:33:08 AM 878 Views
*facepalm* yah, that's what i was talking about - 08/01/2010 05:31:33 PM 825 Views
I figured - 08/01/2010 05:50:22 PM 849 Views
Yes, the plot is simple, predictable and ideological - 29/12/2009 07:41:36 AM 817 Views
It was the best movie I've seen in ages. I'm seriously thinking of going to see it again. *NM* - 29/12/2009 12:20:11 PM 641 Views
We definitely will. - 29/12/2009 03:30:07 PM 845 Views
Going again tomorrow. *NM* - 02/01/2010 05:14:53 PM 636 Views
Project 880: The Avatar that might have been - 31/12/2009 10:30:21 AM 1121 Views
That is very interesting. - 31/12/2009 01:25:19 PM 789 Views
yeah - 02/01/2010 01:56:15 PM 905 Views
i think that would be interesting to see - 31/12/2009 04:29:19 PM 916 Views
Avatar is/was gonna make a pile of money anyways. - 31/12/2009 08:30:34 PM 1077 Views
Re: I hated the 3-D effect. It was horrible. - 10/01/2010 09:39:25 AM 840 Views
Stephen Colbert on Avatar - 15/01/2010 03:18:29 AM 688 Views
I liked it even better the 2nd time. *Spoilers* - 16/01/2010 12:23:50 AM 803 Views
Yeah, I really liked the music. *NM* - 16/01/2010 06:04:55 AM 605 Views
It just took the double at the Golden Globes. - 18/01/2010 04:04:08 AM 917 Views
Ok, wow, I didn't expect that to happen. *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:59:51 AM 415 Views
I can't say I'm surprised it did. Not that I agree with it. *NM* - 18/01/2010 07:37:08 PM 369 Views
Okay I bit the bullet and went to see it - 18/01/2010 11:56:28 PM 814 Views
I always forget that I saw movies in 3D. - 19/01/2010 01:11:05 AM 898 Views

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