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Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM

View original postBlack guy? Check. Female lead? Check. Transsexual character? Oh, we'll have to do that in the next movie. And apologize profusely for not having it in this one.

Star Wars is hardly the setting for anything profound about such topics, but then that's precisely the point - that a default character whose gender or race or sexual orientation isn't particularly relevant to the story being told, shouldn't always belong to the dominant gender or race or sexual orientation. Because that's how it works in real life too.

In a historical setting you don't have much choice on these things as they would all have too big an impact on what you can and can't do with your plot. In a contemporary setting, a lot more already - and in a science fiction setting like Star Wars, you can have a character who is black just because, and the story is exactly the same as it would have been if he were white, or Asian. You may have seen some of the recent debates about race in Harry Potter, and Hermione now being played by a black actress in an upcoming play - there's nothing in the books that says she can't be black.

It may come across as heavy-handed in some cases - though hardly here - but such heavy-handed approaches, Bechdel tests, and the like are sadly necessary until they have reached their goal and made themselves obsolete.

View original postIf they didn't spend so much time checking boxes maybe they could have come up with an original plot.

Their lack of an original plot can hardly be blamed on their female lead or black sidekick.

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Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 934 Views
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Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1704 Views
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Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1649 Views
Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1470 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1645 Views
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Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 905 Views
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Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1488 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 963 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1539 Views
Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1482 Views
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JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 1450 Views
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Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 1412 Views
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Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 1399 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1465 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 1235 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 1499 Views
Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 1353 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 1470 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 1372 Views
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That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1570 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1622 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1524 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 1485 Views
I am noit sure how well that 7-12 girl demographic will work in merchandising - 08/01/2016 06:30:47 PM 1463 Views
Your premise is entirely wrong. - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 1383 Views
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The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 1456 Views
All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 2108 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 1393 Views
Funny that people use strwmen arguments to make themsleves feel smart - 08/01/2016 04:22:22 PM 1497 Views
It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1459 Views
it was story of a father and son so it makes sense to male leads - 04/01/2016 06:59:33 PM 1313 Views
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Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1444 Views
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The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 1397 Views
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What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 1380 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 1518 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1527 Views
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Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 942 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 1410 Views
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I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 1453 Views
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What speaks against is for me... - 05/01/2016 10:57:44 PM 1795 Views
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It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1465 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1584 Views

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