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Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM

View original postBlack guy? Check. Female lead? Check. Transsexual character? Oh, we'll have to do that in the next movie. And apologize profusely for not having it in this one.

Star Wars is hardly the setting for anything profound about such topics, but then that's precisely the point - that a default character whose gender or race or sexual orientation isn't particularly relevant to the story being told, shouldn't always belong to the dominant gender or race or sexual orientation. Because that's how it works in real life too.

In a historical setting you don't have much choice on these things as they would all have too big an impact on what you can and can't do with your plot. In a contemporary setting, a lot more already - and in a science fiction setting like Star Wars, you can have a character who is black just because, and the story is exactly the same as it would have been if he were white, or Asian. You may have seen some of the recent debates about race in Harry Potter, and Hermione now being played by a black actress in an upcoming play - there's nothing in the books that says she can't be black.

It may come across as heavy-handed in some cases - though hardly here - but such heavy-handed approaches, Bechdel tests, and the like are sadly necessary until they have reached their goal and made themselves obsolete.

View original postIf they didn't spend so much time checking boxes maybe they could have come up with an original plot.

Their lack of an original plot can hardly be blamed on their female lead or black sidekick.

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Star Wars : The Force Awakens review (spoiler free) - 17/12/2015 09:18:26 AM 2789 Views
Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 1068 Views
Some (relatively spoiler free) thoughts - 18/12/2015 12:27:22 PM 1925 Views
I pretty much agree with most of that. - 18/12/2015 01:05:16 PM 1743 Views
Agreed, Driver did a great job..... - 19/12/2015 05:46:44 AM 1629 Views
Replies and spoilers - 18/12/2015 03:04:37 PM 1717 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 18/12/2015 04:35:49 PM 1546 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 18/12/2015 05:51:29 PM 1652 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 29/12/2015 04:44:36 AM 1618 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 29/12/2015 07:37:39 PM 1560 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 19/12/2015 05:30:13 PM 1742 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 20/12/2015 09:51:22 AM 1806 Views
Re: Replies and spoilers - 21/12/2015 06:31:54 PM 1963 Views
The books... - 21/12/2015 09:05:28 PM 1731 Views
Re: The books... - 22/12/2015 03:12:52 AM 1708 Views
In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1601 Views
There are books? - 19/12/2015 11:19:07 AM 1639 Views
Re: There are books? - 19/12/2015 05:41:45 PM 1678 Views
So Darth Plagieus might still be in? Sweet. - 20/12/2015 04:44:21 AM 1564 Views
Palpatine's master? - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 1657 Views
I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 09:47:16 PM 1592 Views
Re: I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 10:05:49 PM 1682 Views
Yeah, I think we're talking about the same one. - 24/12/2015 12:05:57 AM 1576 Views
Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 19/12/2015 06:07:16 PM 1675 Views
I don't think any of that had to be explained. - 19/12/2015 12:16:07 PM 1540 Views
I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 19/12/2015 08:22:21 PM 1709 Views
Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 06:04:43 AM 1763 Views
Re: Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 08:06:40 PM 1546 Views
Re: I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 20/12/2015 10:07:36 AM 1724 Views
Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1860 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:11:30 PM 1658 Views
You're making me reply to two posts - 18/12/2015 03:29:23 PM 1733 Views
The death (spoilers) - 22/12/2015 10:30:05 PM 1665 Views
Re: You're making me reply to two posts - 29/12/2015 05:24:39 AM 1656 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 29/12/2015 05:19:54 AM 1661 Views
I have tickets for tonight - 18/12/2015 04:47:17 PM 1619 Views
Arbrams impressed me(spoiler free) - 19/12/2015 05:17:42 AM 1759 Views
'Revenge of the Sith' (3rd prequel) was actually a decent movie - 18/12/2015 10:46:52 PM 1651 Views
They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 18/12/2015 11:38:36 PM 1614 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1798 Views
Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1644 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1799 Views
people forget they were kids movies *NM* - 19/12/2015 01:17:10 AM 979 Views
Yeah, people take the whole 'Star Wars' thing too seriously - 19/12/2015 02:59:29 AM 1663 Views
BTW, Daniel Craig is totally forgiven for Spectre. He was a Stormtrooper (spoilers for role) - 18/12/2015 11:40:44 PM 1551 Views
Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 1048 Views
And Simon Pegg was the alien who ran the trading post Rey always went to *NM* - 20/12/2015 02:30:59 PM 1049 Views
I got the impression he was actually her boss or contractor - 28/12/2015 12:48:48 PM 1735 Views
Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1650 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 1111 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1691 Views
Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1662 Views
Fantastic characters, great entertainment, no originality, no logic - 29/12/2015 03:33:43 AM 1694 Views
Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 1035 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 1655 Views
I gave it a B+ overall but I think the characters are its weak spot - 29/12/2015 05:08:15 PM 1462 Views
JJ Abrams' movies are character-driven, Lucas' movies are plot-driven - 30/12/2015 04:38:49 AM 1548 Views
Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 1551 Views
So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 10:11:01 AM 1640 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 07:10:56 PM 1961 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 09:24:08 PM 1591 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 1525 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1641 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 1404 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 1643 Views
Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 1481 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 1627 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 1526 Views
Yeah, Star Wars is just part of the larger trend. It can't be viewed in a vacuum (pun intended). - 05/01/2016 02:38:34 PM 1502 Views
That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1696 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1762 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1693 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 1642 Views
I am noit sure how well that 7-12 girl demographic will work in merchandising - 08/01/2016 06:30:47 PM 1645 Views
Your premise is entirely wrong. - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 1519 Views
Actually, they do have a major character who is Latino. - 12/01/2016 07:15:31 PM 1626 Views
The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 1594 Views
All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 2283 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 1512 Views
Funny that people use strwmen arguments to make themsleves feel smart - 08/01/2016 04:22:22 PM 1640 Views
It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1593 Views
it was story of a father and son so it makes sense to male leads - 04/01/2016 06:59:33 PM 1462 Views
Male leads, sure, but it wasn't just the leads. - 04/01/2016 11:28:12 PM 1601 Views
Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 05/01/2016 05:55:51 PM 1552 Views
I don't see how it makes sense to compare their roles, but Finn is certainly plenty strong. - 05/01/2016 07:38:05 PM 1651 Views
Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 02:52:58 PM 1690 Views
Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1606 Views
I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 02:49:44 PM 1564 Views
Re: I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 03:26:34 PM 1593 Views
The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 1541 Views
Sorry, no. - 06/01/2016 06:56:09 PM 1650 Views
What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 1531 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 1667 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1679 Views
Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 1483 Views
Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 1020 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 1549 Views
Of course it is - 09/01/2016 10:19:53 PM 1518 Views
Okay so about the big bad guy *spoilers* - 05/01/2016 06:27:37 PM 1600 Views
I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 1597 Views
Re: I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:42:42 PM 1521 Views
What speaks against is for me... - 05/01/2016 10:57:44 PM 1937 Views
Re: What speaks against is for me... - 06/01/2016 10:08:35 AM 1755 Views
It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1622 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1712 Views

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