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Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM

View original postBlack guy? Check. Female lead? Check. Transsexual character? Oh, we'll have to do that in the next movie. And apologize profusely for not having it in this one.

Star Wars is hardly the setting for anything profound about such topics, but then that's precisely the point - that a default character whose gender or race or sexual orientation isn't particularly relevant to the story being told, shouldn't always belong to the dominant gender or race or sexual orientation. Because that's how it works in real life too.

In a historical setting you don't have much choice on these things as they would all have too big an impact on what you can and can't do with your plot. In a contemporary setting, a lot more already - and in a science fiction setting like Star Wars, you can have a character who is black just because, and the story is exactly the same as it would have been if he were white, or Asian. You may have seen some of the recent debates about race in Harry Potter, and Hermione now being played by a black actress in an upcoming play - there's nothing in the books that says she can't be black.

It may come across as heavy-handed in some cases - though hardly here - but such heavy-handed approaches, Bechdel tests, and the like are sadly necessary until they have reached their goal and made themselves obsolete.

View original postIf they didn't spend so much time checking boxes maybe they could have come up with an original plot.

Their lack of an original plot can hardly be blamed on their female lead or black sidekick.

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Star Wars : The Force Awakens review (spoiler free) - 17/12/2015 09:18:26 AM 2530 Views
Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 880 Views
Some (relatively spoiler free) thoughts - 18/12/2015 12:27:22 PM 1587 Views
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Agreed, Driver did a great job..... - 19/12/2015 05:46:44 AM 1377 Views
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The books... - 21/12/2015 09:05:28 PM 1469 Views
Re: The books... - 22/12/2015 03:12:52 AM 1400 Views
In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1353 Views
There are books? - 19/12/2015 11:19:07 AM 1399 Views
Re: There are books? - 19/12/2015 05:41:45 PM 1455 Views
So Darth Plagieus might still be in? Sweet. - 20/12/2015 04:44:21 AM 1356 Views
Palpatine's master? - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 1388 Views
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Re: I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 10:05:49 PM 1427 Views
Yeah, I think we're talking about the same one. - 24/12/2015 12:05:57 AM 1335 Views
Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 19/12/2015 06:07:16 PM 1426 Views
I don't think any of that had to be explained. - 19/12/2015 12:16:07 PM 1311 Views
I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 19/12/2015 08:22:21 PM 1432 Views
Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 06:04:43 AM 1504 Views
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Re: I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 20/12/2015 10:07:36 AM 1432 Views
Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1587 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:11:30 PM 1440 Views
You're making me reply to two posts - 18/12/2015 03:29:23 PM 1469 Views
The death (spoilers) - 22/12/2015 10:30:05 PM 1408 Views
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Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 29/12/2015 05:19:54 AM 1408 Views
I have tickets for tonight - 18/12/2015 04:47:17 PM 1376 Views
Arbrams impressed me(spoiler free) - 19/12/2015 05:17:42 AM 1510 Views
'Revenge of the Sith' (3rd prequel) was actually a decent movie - 18/12/2015 10:46:52 PM 1425 Views
They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 18/12/2015 11:38:36 PM 1377 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1538 Views
Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1363 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1555 Views
people forget they were kids movies *NM* - 19/12/2015 01:17:10 AM 852 Views
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Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 834 Views
And Simon Pegg was the alien who ran the trading post Rey always went to *NM* - 20/12/2015 02:30:59 PM 919 Views
I got the impression he was actually her boss or contractor - 28/12/2015 12:48:48 PM 1477 Views
Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1404 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 884 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1430 Views
Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1362 Views
Fantastic characters, great entertainment, no originality, no logic - 29/12/2015 03:33:43 AM 1416 Views
Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 881 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 1337 Views
I gave it a B+ overall but I think the characters are its weak spot - 29/12/2015 05:08:15 PM 1211 Views
JJ Abrams' movies are character-driven, Lucas' movies are plot-driven - 30/12/2015 04:38:49 AM 1331 Views
Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 1303 Views
So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 10:11:01 AM 1397 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 07:10:56 PM 1729 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 09:24:08 PM 1338 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 1311 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1348 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 1151 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 1404 Views
Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 1274 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 1369 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 1286 Views
Yeah, Star Wars is just part of the larger trend. It can't be viewed in a vacuum (pun intended). - 05/01/2016 02:38:34 PM 1264 Views
That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1489 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1542 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1411 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 1382 Views
I am noit sure how well that 7-12 girl demographic will work in merchandising - 08/01/2016 06:30:47 PM 1368 Views
Your premise is entirely wrong. - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 1303 Views
Actually, they do have a major character who is Latino. - 12/01/2016 07:15:31 PM 1357 Views
The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 1362 Views
All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 2008 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 1322 Views
Funny that people use strwmen arguments to make themsleves feel smart - 08/01/2016 04:22:22 PM 1412 Views
It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1371 Views
it was story of a father and son so it makes sense to male leads - 04/01/2016 06:59:33 PM 1231 Views
Male leads, sure, but it wasn't just the leads. - 04/01/2016 11:28:12 PM 1375 Views
Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 05/01/2016 05:55:51 PM 1335 Views
I don't see how it makes sense to compare their roles, but Finn is certainly plenty strong. - 05/01/2016 07:38:05 PM 1395 Views
Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 02:52:58 PM 1448 Views
Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1348 Views
I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 02:49:44 PM 1331 Views
Re: I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 03:26:34 PM 1381 Views
The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 1306 Views
Sorry, no. - 06/01/2016 06:56:09 PM 1398 Views
What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 1282 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 1413 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1435 Views
Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 1260 Views
Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 894 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 1307 Views
Of course it is - 09/01/2016 10:19:53 PM 1275 Views
Okay so about the big bad guy *spoilers* - 05/01/2016 06:27:37 PM 1358 Views
I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 1374 Views
Re: I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:42:42 PM 1302 Views
What speaks against is for me... - 05/01/2016 10:57:44 PM 1702 Views
Re: What speaks against is for me... - 06/01/2016 10:08:35 AM 1465 Views
It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1370 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1468 Views

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