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Male leads, sure, but it wasn't just the leads. Legolas Send a noteboard - 04/01/2016 11:28:12 PM

View original postThey were Knights so it is hardly surprising they mostly male. I really don't understand the need to believe females can be as effective as men in hand to hand combat. Yes the force is an equalizer but the need to push that fantasy goes well beyond this movie.

In other cases I may agree with you (to take one notorious example, I do have my doubts about the almost completely genderblind Marines in the Malazan series) and I may not - but in this case, I'm glad we agree that with the force, there's no reason why women can't be as effective as men. And since strength in the force seems to play a bigger role in lightsaber combat than simple aptitude or physical strength, same thing there.
View original postSorry you disagree but much like Mad Max in Fury Road the female lead is made more dominant by making the male lead weaker. Finn was little more than a side kick. Same formula as needing to kill off the mentor to allow the student to rise the formula they are using to have dominant female is weak and emotionally damaged supporting male roles. It isn't like even try to hide it, in Fury Roadi the admitted that is what they were doing and the left cheered.

I haven't seen Mad Max in Fury Road, though I did read your comments at the time as well as other comments on its feminist politics. Can't comment until I see it.

I'm still unclear on how Finn is made 'weaker' - as opposed to simply not being a prodigy like Rey is, and simply not the big hero of the tale. You can obviously complain about how easily everything comes to her and how unrealistic that seems - but this is Star Wars, that sort of thing happens all the time, it just happens to be a girl this time. None of that makes Finn 'weaker', so I have no idea where you're getting that.

View original postOne day the white males in your generation will wake up to the fact that making you weaker is objective of the politics you are buying into.

Looked at one way, making white males 'weaker' is really just inherent to the goal of eliminating oppression and discrimination against women or minorities, so sure, that doesn't bother me. The more positive way of looking at it would be that actually having to compete on equal ground may make said white males stronger instead - or at least allow the best among them to shine more truly.

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Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 722 Views
Some (relatively spoiler free) thoughts - 18/12/2015 12:27:22 PM 1269 Views
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In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1010 Views
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So Darth Plagieus might still be in? Sweet. - 20/12/2015 04:44:21 AM 996 Views
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Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1230 Views
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Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1010 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1196 Views
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Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 676 Views
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Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1051 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 732 Views
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Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1019 Views
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Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 726 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 979 Views
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Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 959 Views
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It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1006 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 832 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 1046 Views
Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 930 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 1032 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 957 Views
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That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1141 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1210 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1049 Views
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Your premise is entirely wrong. - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 968 Views
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The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 1003 Views
All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 1651 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 960 Views
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It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1013 Views
it was story of a father and son so it makes sense to male leads - 04/01/2016 06:59:33 PM 889 Views
Male leads, sure, but it wasn't just the leads. - 04/01/2016 11:28:12 PM 1017 Views
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Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1001 Views
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The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 957 Views
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What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 937 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 993 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1107 Views
Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 917 Views
Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 747 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 963 Views
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I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 1022 Views
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It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1052 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1085 Views

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