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Re: Replies and spoilers DomA Send a noteboard - 19/12/2015 05:30:13 PM

Maybe we should give the guy a bit of time to flesh out considering he's an apprentice in the truest sense of the word. There are more than hints that he's very new to the Dark Side. Isn't it nice to finally have a dark jedi whose journey we can follow instead of a mindless drone who dies at the end of each movie?

That wasn't my impression at all. Not sure what makes you believe Kylo Ren is around 18 y.o. when the actor is in his thirties and looks at best mid twenties? The Knights of Ren led by Kylo Ren killed Luke's Jedi students, after which Luke fled into hiding. My feeling from their scenes is that Solo and Leia have been estranged from each other for many years, not just a couple. Don't forget that it's passed into "legend" that Han Solo once fought in the Rebellion (not the "Resistance" to the point an orphan on Jakku know this. If Han had left 2 years ago, it wouldn't be part of his legend that he has left the Rebellion.... Let's consider also the possibility that Rey herself might have been a survivor of this attack on Luke's students, (as a Skywalker or not). She was abandoned on Jakku as a little girl. Even if Rey is a bit younger than her actress (who's 23), it's probably around 10 years ago and maybe closer to 15.

All in all, it's very likely that Ben Solo was born a few years at most after the battle Endor (and not when Leia was around 40...), and in his late teens or early twenties he turned against Luke and destroyed his attempt to resurrect the Jedi Order. We don't know for now how much Jedi training he got from Luke, and we know Snoke doesn't consider him fully trained in the dark side either... but it did look like Snoke had better uses for Kylo's time than train him anyway - but with the apparition of Rey he has now reconsidered his priorities...

My impression is that aside from being severely wounded and obviously in emotional turmoil during the duels Kylo Ren just isn't a very physicaly fit person nor close to a jock (I wouldn't be surprised he is more the geek or intellectual type), and one who may not train his lightsaber skills that much over the years, not really expecting to meet someone to fight against, aside from Luke. Apparently his lightsaber is pretty primitive - based on an "historical" design that still required 2 exhausts vents at the bottom for the extra heat. My guess is that it's the only design Kylo Ren managed to find, for lack of a "modern" Jedi or Sith model to copy.

A lot of people also missed the clues placed in the movie by the screenwriters to explain why Finn and Rey could more or less handle their own. In Finn's case, he has full military training and it appears the stormtroopers are trained now (and equipped) to fight against lightsabers (why, when there was only Luke and a bunch of apprentices now decimated is another question...). He's not a force user and didn't last that long, but it explains why he wasn't inept. As for Rey, she's no stranger to sparring - on Jakku her weapon was a kind of quarterstaff doubling as a walking staff, and she was skilled with it. Add the Force to which she seems to have more an Anakin-like affinity than a slow emerging Luke-style one, the adrenalin, the survivor instincts she's no doubt developed to survive alone on Jakku to the facts Kylo Ren was in emotional and psychological turmoil and physically badly wounded, and it's not all that surprising the duels went the way they did.


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Star Wars : The Force Awakens review (spoiler free) - 17/12/2015 09:18:26 AM 2186 Views
Love your review! I'm seeing it tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait! *NM* - 18/12/2015 01:20:16 AM 722 Views
Some (relatively spoiler free) thoughts - 18/12/2015 12:27:22 PM 1269 Views
I pretty much agree with most of that. - 18/12/2015 01:05:16 PM 1189 Views
Agreed, Driver did a great job..... - 19/12/2015 05:46:44 AM 1045 Views
Replies and spoilers - 18/12/2015 03:04:37 PM 1132 Views
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Re: Replies and spoilers - 21/12/2015 06:31:54 PM 1347 Views
The books... - 21/12/2015 09:05:28 PM 1118 Views
Re: The books... - 22/12/2015 03:12:52 AM 1053 Views
In general agreement ** potential Spoilers ** - 19/12/2015 06:06:23 AM 1012 Views
There are books? - 19/12/2015 11:19:07 AM 1073 Views
Re: There are books? - 19/12/2015 05:41:45 PM 1116 Views
So Darth Plagieus might still be in? Sweet. - 20/12/2015 04:44:21 AM 996 Views
Palpatine's master? - 20/12/2015 02:25:45 PM 994 Views
I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 09:47:16 PM 1014 Views
Re: I mean the novel of that name. - 22/12/2015 10:05:49 PM 1101 Views
Yeah, I think we're talking about the same one. - 24/12/2015 12:05:57 AM 1002 Views
Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens - 19/12/2015 06:07:16 PM 1093 Views
I don't think any of that had to be explained. - 19/12/2015 12:16:07 PM 979 Views
I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 19/12/2015 08:22:21 PM 1096 Views
Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 06:04:43 AM 1156 Views
Re: Some thoughts about the Force... - 20/12/2015 08:06:40 PM 955 Views
Re: I'm more or less in complete agreement (spoilers) - 20/12/2015 10:07:36 AM 1068 Views
Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:00:32 PM 1230 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 18/12/2015 01:11:30 PM 1092 Views
You're making me reply to two posts - 18/12/2015 03:29:23 PM 1101 Views
The death (spoilers) - 22/12/2015 10:30:05 PM 1063 Views
Re: You're making me reply to two posts - 29/12/2015 05:24:39 AM 1100 Views
Re: Also, SPOILER thoughts. - 29/12/2015 05:19:54 AM 1056 Views
I have tickets for tonight - 18/12/2015 04:47:17 PM 1049 Views
Arbrams impressed me(spoiler free) - 19/12/2015 05:17:42 AM 1178 Views
'Revenge of the Sith' (3rd prequel) was actually a decent movie - 18/12/2015 10:46:52 PM 1092 Views
They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 18/12/2015 11:38:36 PM 1038 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 12:19:10 AM 1189 Views
Well - 19/12/2015 05:53:56 AM 1010 Views
Re: They were all good. Internet geeks suck. - 19/12/2015 07:46:06 AM 1196 Views
people forget they were kids movies *NM* - 19/12/2015 01:17:10 AM 701 Views
Yeah, people take the whole 'Star Wars' thing too seriously - 19/12/2015 02:59:29 AM 1093 Views
BTW, Daniel Craig is totally forgiven for Spectre. He was a Stormtrooper (spoilers for role) - 18/12/2015 11:40:44 PM 987 Views
Yip that's true *NM* - 19/12/2015 07:46:59 AM 676 Views
And Simon Pegg was the alien who ran the trading post Rey always went to *NM* - 20/12/2015 02:30:59 PM 781 Views
I got the impression he was actually her boss or contractor - 28/12/2015 12:48:48 PM 1141 Views
Pretty much... - 29/12/2015 12:08:58 AM 1052 Views
Absolutely, yes *NM* - 29/12/2015 01:54:52 PM 732 Views
Just saw it! Holy shit, shit, shit, shit.....it was amazing. - 19/12/2015 05:38:44 AM 1055 Views
Loved it (Spoilers) - 19/12/2015 06:16:54 AM 1019 Views
Fantastic characters, great entertainment, no originality, no logic - 29/12/2015 03:33:43 AM 1054 Views
Your Mom has no originality or logic! *NM* - 29/12/2015 11:39:41 AM 726 Views
JJ Abrams should be able to do better than my Mom - 30/12/2015 04:20:54 AM 980 Views
I gave it a B+ overall but I think the characters are its weak spot - 29/12/2015 05:08:15 PM 910 Views
JJ Abrams' movies are character-driven, Lucas' movies are plot-driven - 30/12/2015 04:38:49 AM 969 Views
Lucas has created some of the most iconics chacters in movie history ? - 31/12/2015 02:29:02 PM 959 Views
So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 10:11:01 AM 1054 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 07:10:56 PM 1363 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 30/12/2015 09:24:08 PM 1010 Views
Re: So, Rey (Possible Spoilers ahead) - 31/12/2015 04:58:24 PM 964 Views
It was fun, and I look forward to the next ones, but can't say I was that wowed. - 30/12/2015 09:26:10 PM 1006 Views
Why is time for female lead and why does the lef think subtraction is the answer to inequality? - 04/01/2016 01:37:37 PM 832 Views
Because the six other movies had zero female Jedis of any importance? - 04/01/2016 05:58:25 PM 1046 Views
Just another check the box movie, then - 04/01/2016 06:02:41 PM 931 Views
Oh, come on. You're really going to complain just because they had a woman and a black guy? - 04/01/2016 11:48:52 PM 1033 Views
They are talking abou tmakin ght Gunslinger black - 05/01/2016 02:05:36 PM 957 Views
Yeah, Star Wars is just part of the larger trend. It can't be viewed in a vacuum (pun intended). - 05/01/2016 02:38:34 PM 932 Views
That's not really what I said, you'll note. - 05/01/2016 07:48:08 PM 1142 Views
I don't think it was Disney's business acumen. - 06/01/2016 06:59:46 PM 1211 Views
Wow. That's... sad. - 06/01/2016 09:32:37 PM 1050 Views
Re: Wow. That's... sad. - 08/01/2016 03:08:58 AM 1031 Views
I am noit sure how well that 7-12 girl demographic will work in merchandising - 08/01/2016 06:30:47 PM 1028 Views
Your premise is entirely wrong. - 12/01/2016 05:53:26 AM 968 Views
Actually, they do have a major character who is Latino. - 12/01/2016 07:15:31 PM 1007 Views
The culture wars are just about blacks and feminists. - 13/01/2016 02:31:20 AM 1003 Views
All that Paul said - 17/01/2016 05:13:59 PM 1652 Views
LOL - 05/01/2016 06:33:50 PM 960 Views
Funny that people use strwmen arguments to make themsleves feel smart - 08/01/2016 04:22:22 PM 1054 Views
It's not a straw man - 08/01/2016 04:52:03 PM 1014 Views
it was story of a father and son so it makes sense to male leads - 04/01/2016 06:59:33 PM 889 Views
Male leads, sure, but it wasn't just the leads. - 04/01/2016 11:28:12 PM 1017 Views
Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 05/01/2016 05:55:51 PM 991 Views
I don't see how it makes sense to compare their roles, but Finn is certainly plenty strong. - 05/01/2016 07:38:05 PM 986 Views
Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 02:52:58 PM 1023 Views
Re: Finn reacts and is pretty much drug through the story - 06/01/2016 05:50:08 PM 1002 Views
I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 02:49:44 PM 975 Views
Re: I don't have an issue with a strong female jedi - 07/01/2016 03:26:34 PM 1021 Views
The reall issue it looks like Luke sucked as Jedi master - 07/01/2016 07:14:31 PM 957 Views
Sorry, no. - 06/01/2016 06:56:09 PM 1041 Views
What a load of crap. - 08/01/2016 10:29:35 AM 937 Views
I only partially agree - 08/01/2016 03:27:10 PM 993 Views
Sorry if science isn't your thing but no what I said is true - 09/01/2016 11:49:15 PM 1107 Views
Re: Was finn as strong as Leia? I would say not even close - 08/01/2016 10:01:16 AM 917 Views
Well said *NM* - 05/01/2016 12:01:25 PM 748 Views
Because it isn't "subtraction"... - 08/01/2016 09:33:24 AM 964 Views
Of course it is - 09/01/2016 10:19:53 PM 946 Views
Okay so about the big bad guy *spoilers* - 05/01/2016 06:27:37 PM 1030 Views
I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:07:26 PM 1024 Views
Re: I may be alone on this, but... - 05/01/2016 08:42:42 PM 944 Views
What speaks against is for me... - 05/01/2016 10:57:44 PM 1365 Views
Re: What speaks against is for me... - 06/01/2016 10:08:35 AM 1102 Views
It's all good stuff, like the first book in a good sci-fi/fantasy trilogy! - 07/01/2016 06:44:45 AM 1053 Views
I think it's pretty obvious... - 17/01/2016 07:43:19 AM 1085 Views

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