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My problem with the film was that the character's most hyped trait was irrelevant Cannoli Send a noteboard - 05/11/2013 02:15:09 AM

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So I just recently watched Ender’s Game (the 2013 movie), I never read the book, but after watching it I am wondering how is Ender’s Game a good story. Now when I say a good story I am not talking about whether it is well written (it was well written) or the characters were not memorable (they were memorable), no the story itself the author is writing is quite warped.

1) Card, the author, made a story which is very much a revenge fantasy. He created a character Ender who is supposed to be sympathetic he does so by subjecting Ender to relentless torment, manipulation, mind screw, aggression, and bullying. This character is relentless subjected to all these stresses, and during the story he is purposefully left alone without allies no parents or mentors only his fellow children which he has to turn into allies. Card even goes so far to make Ender the smallest child in his environment, to encourage sympathy. Yet even with all these stresses somehow Ender prospers, and he defeats all challenges.

IDK if this stuff was in the book, but I didn't get that from the movie. Bean and the Indian kid were smaller, and so was the big nosed team captain. As for the stresses to which he was subjected, that is a common aspect of elite military training, and adds a degree of realism to the somewhat implausible premise of kids commanding fleets in a real war. They were looking for the one guy who was to lead their fleet to victory - not testing him within an inch of his life would be just a bit irresponsible.
When Ender is final faced with the tipping point of every challenge, it is never him that starts the confrontation. Ender is written as blameless and innocent. Ender defeats said challenge dispassionately and without emotion. Even when Ender goes way too far, somehow it is presented to the viewer that Ender’s action is justified. Ender continues to kick the living shit out of the boy in the beginning of the movie so Ender would never be bullied by the boy again, he is removing the bully ability to make war

The point is to foreshadow his final tactic. Duh.
Oh the genocide at the very end, it was just a computer simulation, except it was not. This way the main character is innocent of genocide since he was being lied to.
If there is anything moralistic going on, I'd call this an analogy about what we do to soldiers. We send them blindly out to kill people we say are the enemy, we narrow their focus on a simple task at hand, and cause them to commit horrors and atrocities without necessarily getting to contemplate the ramifications of pushing the buttons and pulling the triggers. I doubt the crew of the Enola Gay was fully briefed on the implications of what they were ordered to do.

I read Ender's Game years ago, but I recall it as a short story or novella, which ended with the revelation that what he thought was a game was actually the war, without any of the family stuff or making friends with an alien. From that, I got the impression it was a gimmick story aimed at just the surprise reveal.


In other words Ender is perfect, to use a popular internet terminology Ender is a Mary Sue. How is this not a revenge fantasy?
Well, he's not a Mary Sue. A Mary Sue wouldn't have his emotional distance or the difficulties he encounters at first before working them out.
2) Card seems to love violence and aggression, no a better way to put it is Card is fascinated with violence and aggression. The sheer amount of violence that he puts Ender through is proof of it.
That's not an extraordinary amount of violence. That's just life. I don't know how much experience you have in all-male environments, teams or stress situations, but Ender got off easier than lots of kids do where bullying is concerned.
Furthermore Card doesn’t just subject Ender to violence he also subjects Ender to humiliation trying to have the bullies to emasculate him. Ender is also subject to countless mind screw and manipulation. Do not listen to authority since authority will lie to you. “This will not hurt” while they rip a metal diode out of your head.
OMG!! A sci-fi story with an anti-authoritarian message! What next? Card is REALLY unique! This must be some deep-seated revelation about his character and personality that he would choose to write a sci-fi military story that portrays authority in a negative light! I mean, who else would dare such a thing.
3) While watching all this it becomes obvious to me, that the author Card is a deeply troubled individual. One does not write about child abuse with such fervor unless one was also abused.

Or maybe if someone had more masculine experiences and entertainment than My Little Pony prior to watching this film, it would not have had such an impression.
I pity the poor man. I personally don’t believe in a god, but I hope there is some force out there that will help the author come to peace with whatever traumas he experience.

So my question how is this a story you would recommend to a Young Adult and is supposed to be a story about morality.


Well, there is the whole "don't trust authority, because they will use you for their own purposes, regardless of your intentions" message...

Anyway, the issue I had with the movie was that they made such a big deal of Ender's empathy and ability to identify with his opponents, and that had nothing to do with his tactics or success. I mean, how much empathy do you need to come to the conclusion that the enemy will not like having his home planet blown up?

And what sort of unique insight into the enemy's thought process was required to dredge up a rehash of the same tactic he had previously used to win one of their training competitions? One could argue that Ender is not some brilliant military commander after all, he is simply the one who best fit into the slot that was predetermined by the training program. The emphasis of the zero-g obstacle course laser tag geared the student's minds to work the problem of getting a single unit to a particular position. Just about zero real life battles have been won in that manner, and it only succeeds in science-fiction because the authors invent enemies who can be defeated in such a manner.

Whatever else Card was saying about war or the military (and I would bet that not only is my interpretation widely accepted, it is the reason for the long-time popularity of the work; just like all the hippies who thought the One Ring of Tolkien was a metaphor for nuclear arms, that same breed of leftist counter-culture sci-fi fan jumped all over this one), he dropped the ball when it came to telling an airtight story.

Cannoli
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So how is Ender’s Game a good story? (Book / Movie Spoilers) - 04/11/2013 03:38:59 PM 1169 Views
Well, I think your point #3 is pretty off - 04/11/2013 03:51:01 PM 757 Views
I disagree - 04/11/2013 04:08:44 PM 679 Views
What you just said is utterly preposterous - 04/11/2013 07:06:50 PM 778 Views
Oh wow, yeah, he hasn't even read the book - 04/11/2013 08:54:18 PM 692 Views
Some of my friends read the books - 05/11/2013 03:45:43 AM 633 Views
Not really? It's about the same, but with more non-violent bits. - 05/11/2013 03:26:46 PM 727 Views
I don't think it was baseless - 05/11/2013 03:58:02 AM 730 Views
What a load of tosh - 04/11/2013 04:05:06 PM 796 Views
Hm. I've only read the book, but I'll take a shot - 04/11/2013 04:06:35 PM 780 Views
Re: Hm. I've only read the book, but I'll take a shot - 04/11/2013 08:16:55 PM 666 Views
Card purposefully wrote Ender to be blameless, he didn't have intent to commit violence yet he still - 05/11/2013 04:18:27 AM 719 Views
You're still missing the point. - 05/11/2013 07:54:31 PM 740 Views
Yeah like I said- the book makes things a lot better *NM* - 05/11/2013 09:41:05 PM 332 Views
I read the book, didn't see the movie - 04/11/2013 07:02:03 PM 712 Views
The funny thing is, Ender's Game ISN'T a YA novel - 04/11/2013 08:20:46 PM 746 Views
The best YA novels are ones that have deeper levels - 04/11/2013 08:56:38 PM 736 Views
I was shocked when I found out it was shelved in YA. *NM* - 29/11/2013 06:34:01 PM 386 Views
My problem with the film was that the character's most hyped trait was irrelevant - 05/11/2013 02:15:09 AM 771 Views
I think it was a short story that was later expanded to a novel *NM* - 05/11/2013 02:33:46 AM 310 Views
It is a good story - 08/11/2013 01:12:04 PM 805 Views
Reads like you have more of a problme with OSC that the story - 09/11/2013 08:40:57 AM 684 Views

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