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Re: Hm. I've only read the book, but I'll take a shot DREWRULESWOT! Send a noteboard - 04/11/2013 08:16:55 PM

First off, they did keep the shower fight with Bonzo, though they toned it down considerably. No blood at all, if I remember correctly.

Secondly, you're spot on here. The central themes of the book are about the morality of total war and what that does to a person. The use of children as commanders and their "training" on the simulator provide a serious question regarding the accountability of people for their actions.

Roland00's claim that Ender is presented as "blameless" in this is laughably untrue; indeed, he is wracked by guilt throughout the book and is almost driven mad by the revelation that he committed xenocide. In the later books, his two drastically different personae are presented as separate entities in humanity's view: they cannot truly believe that the empathic and generous Speaker for the Dead and the vicious and violent Ender the Xenocide could possibly be the same person.

EDIT: A great quote from Xenocide that really nicely sums this up: "You don't take the blame," [Ender] answered. "But you still take responsibility. For healing the wounds you caused."

Here's to keeping the spirit of Wotmania alive...cheers to RAFO
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So how is Ender’s Game a good story? (Book / Movie Spoilers) Roland00 - 04/11/2013 03:38:59 PM 1177 Views
Well, I think your point #3 is pretty off beetnemesis - 04/11/2013 03:51:01 PM 766 Views
I disagree Roland00 - 04/11/2013 04:08:44 PM 689 Views
What you just said is utterly preposterous A Deathwatch Guard - 04/11/2013 07:06:50 PM 788 Views
Oh wow, yeah, he hasn't even read the book beetnemesis - 04/11/2013 08:54:18 PM 701 Views
Some of my friends read the books Roland00 - 05/11/2013 03:45:43 AM 643 Views
Not really? It's about the same, but with more non-violent bits. beetnemesis - 05/11/2013 03:26:46 PM 736 Views
I don't think it was baseless Roland00 - 05/11/2013 03:58:02 AM 743 Views
What a load of tosh Wibble - 04/11/2013 04:05:06 PM 805 Views
Hm. I've only read the book, but I'll take a shot beetnemesis - 04/11/2013 04:06:35 PM 788 Views
Re: Hm. I've only read the book, but I'll take a shot DREWRULESWOT! - 04/11/2013 08:16:55 PM 677 Views
Card purposefully wrote Ender to be blameless, he didn't have intent to commit violence yet he still Roland00 - 05/11/2013 04:18:27 AM 729 Views
You're still missing the point. DREWRULESWOT! - 05/11/2013 07:54:31 PM 755 Views
Yeah like I said- the book makes things a lot better *NM* beetnemesis - 05/11/2013 09:41:05 PM 338 Views
I read the book, didn't see the movie A Deathwatch Guard - 04/11/2013 07:02:03 PM 723 Views
The funny thing is, Ender's Game ISN'T a YA novel DREWRULESWOT! - 04/11/2013 08:20:46 PM 757 Views
The best YA novels are ones that have deeper levels beetnemesis - 04/11/2013 08:56:38 PM 746 Views
I was shocked when I found out it was shelved in YA. *NM* Jasha - 29/11/2013 06:34:01 PM 391 Views
My problem with the film was that the character's most hyped trait was irrelevant Cannoli - 05/11/2013 02:15:09 AM 780 Views
I think it was a short story that was later expanded to a novel *NM* beetnemesis - 05/11/2013 02:33:46 AM 317 Views
OK, I've seen the movie now. I can see some of your issues. Honestly, just go read the book. beetnemesis - 05/11/2013 02:30:57 AM 771 Views
It is a good story Isaac - 08/11/2013 01:12:04 PM 813 Views
Reads like you have more of a problme with OSC that the story random thoughts - 09/11/2013 08:40:57 AM 693 Views
Re: So how is Ender’s Game a good story? (Book / Movie Spoilers) Jasha - 29/11/2013 06:24:48 PM 725 Views
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