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There actually was in Tolkein's mind, it is just contained in a different book. *NM* HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 28/12/2012 02:37:13 PM
There was not an orc nemesis in the books. In the books this happened

1) They stumble onto the the goblins of the misty mountain by taking shelter in a cave. The cave had a false wall and the dwarves were ambushed.
2) The great goblin/goblin king is killed by Gandalf
3) During their escape bilbo falls and finds Gollum
4) They go down the misty mountains, are attacked by wargs, followed by them being attacked by the goblins. The dwarves are rescued by the eagles.
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Mirkwood, Laketown, and Smaug happen
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5) Due to the dwarves/Gandalf killing the goblin king and the prospect of riches. Bolg son and heir of Azog (the Orc who started the dwarf/orc wars a 150 years earlier), attacks the combined armies of dwarf, elf, and man. Once the eagles arrive this battle is known as the battle of the five armies.
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The Hobbit - Discussion thread and first thoughts ironclad - 13/12/2012 12:21:52 AM 2419 Views
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You overestimate my influence on the people of Europe ironclad - 17/12/2012 11:08:06 AM 1101 Views
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Agreed. patternweaver - 23/12/2012 12:32:23 AM 1086 Views
I think two words have killed this movie for me: "orc nemesis" Tom - 15/12/2012 02:00:33 AM 1091 Views
To be fair, it's an orc nemesis from the books. Werthead - 15/12/2012 07:23:16 PM 1091 Views
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Looks like it. ironclad - 16/12/2012 12:19:19 PM 965 Views
There was not an orc nemesis in the books Roland00 - 16/12/2012 01:55:59 PM 930 Views
There actually was in Tolkein's mind, it is just contained in a different book. *NM* HyogaRott - 28/12/2012 02:37:13 PM 466 Views
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I feel robed from my dreams. ferqwert - 21/12/2012 07:57:30 PM 939 Views
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Or it would if he weren't a useless whining moron, anyway. Legolas - 09/01/2013 05:33:16 PM 975 Views
Should have been edited down to 2 hours snoopcester - 15/12/2012 11:05:29 AM 1008 Views
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Better Nate than lever *NM* *NM* ferqwert - 23/12/2012 11:23:40 PM 452 Views
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I hated it, but I know I will be in the minority. HyogaRott - 28/12/2012 02:45:26 PM 1016 Views
i mostly agree with you moondog - 08/01/2013 09:34:04 PM 1110 Views
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Radagast? Bunny Sledge? Archrival Azog? The whole goblin cavern scene? It's a massacre alright. *NM* Bergioyn - 11/01/2013 03:07:55 PM 548 Views
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In a word...meh. Tigr - 03/01/2013 09:13:33 PM 907 Views
i actually liked the stone giant fight, that was part of the book which i appreciated in the film moondog - 08/01/2013 09:47:18 PM 1056 Views
Came across an excellent review with some interesting analysis Legolas - 27/01/2013 10:17:06 PM 1077 Views
It was pretty good. orius - 11/02/2013 06:57:52 AM 1023 Views
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