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There actually was in Tolkein's mind, it is just contained in a different book. *NM* HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 28/12/2012 02:37:13 PM
There was not an orc nemesis in the books. In the books this happened

1) They stumble onto the the goblins of the misty mountain by taking shelter in a cave. The cave had a false wall and the dwarves were ambushed.
2) The great goblin/goblin king is killed by Gandalf
3) During their escape bilbo falls and finds Gollum
4) They go down the misty mountains, are attacked by wargs, followed by them being attacked by the goblins. The dwarves are rescued by the eagles.
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Mirkwood, Laketown, and Smaug happen
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5) Due to the dwarves/Gandalf killing the goblin king and the prospect of riches. Bolg son and heir of Azog (the Orc who started the dwarf/orc wars a 150 years earlier), attacks the combined armies of dwarf, elf, and man. Once the eagles arrive this battle is known as the battle of the five armies.
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You overestimate my influence on the people of Europe ironclad - 17/12/2012 11:08:06 AM 1037 Views
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I think two words have killed this movie for me: "orc nemesis" Tom - 15/12/2012 02:00:33 AM 1015 Views
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Looks like it. ironclad - 16/12/2012 12:19:19 PM 899 Views
There was not an orc nemesis in the books Roland00 - 16/12/2012 01:55:59 PM 870 Views
There actually was in Tolkein's mind, it is just contained in a different book. *NM* HyogaRott - 28/12/2012 02:37:13 PM 440 Views
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I feel robed from my dreams. ferqwert - 21/12/2012 07:57:30 PM 881 Views
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Should have been edited down to 2 hours snoopcester - 15/12/2012 11:05:29 AM 946 Views
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Better Nate than lever *NM* *NM* ferqwert - 23/12/2012 11:23:40 PM 421 Views
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i mostly agree with you moondog - 08/01/2013 09:34:04 PM 1049 Views
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i actually liked the stone giant fight, that was part of the book which i appreciated in the film moondog - 08/01/2013 09:47:18 PM 999 Views
Came across an excellent review with some interesting analysis Legolas - 27/01/2013 10:17:06 PM 1006 Views
It was pretty good. orius - 11/02/2013 06:57:52 AM 957 Views
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