I'm going to start making a list of people who say stuff like this to me.
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 12/10/2012 03:48:36 AM
I agree completely with this post of Cannoli's!
Star Wars is only problematic from a very narrow set of arbitrary stylistic criteria. People have decided on certain standards of dialogue and acting for movies, and other degrees of realism and originality in character development and are now throwing tantrums because Lucas ignored them. Who pays attention to the dialogue or acting in Opera? Why does no one write off every and all musical film or TV show for the reality-straining convention of breaking into song spontaneously, and even singing a duet with people who are not in hearing range, often in an entirely different building? I mean, WTF? Right? Lucas is a visual filmmaker on a scale no one else approaches, aside from possibly Avatar, whose plot was even more cliched and trope filled without the obvious intention of using archetypes. Darth Vader is an archetype, but the forgettable colonel in Avatar is merely a cliche - two different flavors or unoriginal characterization, but Lucas the Hack created the one who is a gargoyle on the National Cathedral, and I am hard pressed to remember the other guy's name a couple years later, despite my affection for the actor.
Where opera is basically orchestral compositions formatted into drama, Lucas is likewise turning masterpiece visual images into motion pictures. You don't care how well an opera singer acts, because you are there for the music. I don't care how uncharacteristically wooden Natalie Portman and Liam Neeson acted, because the point was the visuals and the feel of Star Wars.
Meanwhile, critical darlings Spielberg and Coppola, for all their technical skill at the photographic arts and direction of films, are basically glorified novel adapters. Except for Spielberg's most entertaining work, which Lucas collaborated on, and according to the transcript of the story conference, provided all the best ideas (as well as discovering the lead actor). While people sneer at Lucas for letting all sorts of crap besmirch his intellectual property (presumably because since he did not come up with his characters [Joseph Campbell did], he could care less how other people portrayed them as long as he could make a buck off it), he had the better sense than Spielberg or Coppola when it came to sticking loved ones in his sequels. You have to work to find George & his kids in Revenge of the Sith, but it is not nearly so easy to ignore Spielberg's wife in Temple of Doom or Coppola's daughter in Godfather III (though Lucas made superior use of the same actress in his prequels).
Hate Lucas if you want for directing The Phantom Menace. But you know what he did NOT direct? Jack. 1941. A.I. Artificial Intelligence. The Terminal. And I defy anyone to tell me that the Star Wars prequels besmirched their franchises worse than Godfather III or Jurassic Park III. Funny how Lucas' third movie in his original trilogy kept up the standards better than the first wholly original film in the trilogies Coppola and Spielberg squeezed out of best-selling novels.
It's a bummer that, as geek film fans, we have for the most part written Lucas off for his Star Wars related sins. Yes, other people have taken his toys and done better with them. But given that he gave us the toys in the first place... wow, right?
Star Wars is only problematic from a very narrow set of arbitrary stylistic criteria. People have decided on certain standards of dialogue and acting for movies, and other degrees of realism and originality in character development and are now throwing tantrums because Lucas ignored them. Who pays attention to the dialogue or acting in Opera? Why does no one write off every and all musical film or TV show for the reality-straining convention of breaking into song spontaneously, and even singing a duet with people who are not in hearing range, often in an entirely different building? I mean, WTF? Right? Lucas is a visual filmmaker on a scale no one else approaches, aside from possibly Avatar, whose plot was even more cliched and trope filled without the obvious intention of using archetypes. Darth Vader is an archetype, but the forgettable colonel in Avatar is merely a cliche - two different flavors or unoriginal characterization, but Lucas the Hack created the one who is a gargoyle on the National Cathedral, and I am hard pressed to remember the other guy's name a couple years later, despite my affection for the actor.
Where opera is basically orchestral compositions formatted into drama, Lucas is likewise turning masterpiece visual images into motion pictures. You don't care how well an opera singer acts, because you are there for the music. I don't care how uncharacteristically wooden Natalie Portman and Liam Neeson acted, because the point was the visuals and the feel of Star Wars.
Meanwhile, critical darlings Spielberg and Coppola, for all their technical skill at the photographic arts and direction of films, are basically glorified novel adapters. Except for Spielberg's most entertaining work, which Lucas collaborated on, and according to the transcript of the story conference, provided all the best ideas (as well as discovering the lead actor). While people sneer at Lucas for letting all sorts of crap besmirch his intellectual property (presumably because since he did not come up with his characters [Joseph Campbell did], he could care less how other people portrayed them as long as he could make a buck off it), he had the better sense than Spielberg or Coppola when it came to sticking loved ones in his sequels. You have to work to find George & his kids in Revenge of the Sith, but it is not nearly so easy to ignore Spielberg's wife in Temple of Doom or Coppola's daughter in Godfather III (though Lucas made superior use of the same actress in his prequels).
Hate Lucas if you want for directing The Phantom Menace. But you know what he did NOT direct? Jack. 1941. A.I. Artificial Intelligence. The Terminal. And I defy anyone to tell me that the Star Wars prequels besmirched their franchises worse than Godfather III or Jurassic Park III. Funny how Lucas' third movie in his original trilogy kept up the standards better than the first wholly original film in the trilogies Coppola and Spielberg squeezed out of best-selling novels.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
When the career of George Lucas is reviewed, will he be the most influential film-maker of all time?
10/10/2012 12:27:59 AM
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Shrug. He might be the most influential special-effects artist *NM*
10/10/2012 08:43:05 AM
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It is going to be the same way with Steve Jobs
10/10/2012 02:38:25 PM
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Steve Jobs shouldn't be remembered for the Apple II, it was Woz's creation.
18/10/2012 04:37:38 AM
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He deserves all the credit he gets, he's a superior artist to his pals Spielberg & Coppola
10/10/2012 04:15:29 PM
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My point is that his greatest contribution is horrifically overlooked.
11/10/2012 06:14:53 AM
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Hell has frozen over
11/10/2012 04:31:56 PM
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I'm going to start making a list of people who say stuff like this to me.
12/10/2012 03:48:36 AM
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That's giving a single man way too much credit and influence, and under the wrong title
12/10/2012 01:13:07 AM
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I'm not sure the OP was saying he was the most influential director
12/10/2012 08:34:02 PM
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Pretty sure I said film-maker. (Checks the Subject line.) Yep, I did. *NM*
15/10/2012 05:28:50 AM
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That's precisely the problem. You said filmmaker, not effects studio owner. *NM*
18/10/2012 10:31:26 PM
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Re: That's precisely the problem. You said filmmaker, not effects studio owner.
19/10/2012 03:46:33 PM
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Short answer, no.
15/10/2012 06:19:52 PM
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So who beats him out?
16/10/2012 02:23:19 AM
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Thats the point, he didn't actually change anything; he demanded that others change things.
16/10/2012 02:35:03 PM
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You have a strange definition of influence.
16/10/2012 09:55:59 PM
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Not really, influence is somthing actively done, his role was too passive.
17/10/2012 03:23:40 PM
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Spielburg, Howard, Coppola, Tarrentino... There is a long list, even only among the modern filmakers *NM*
16/10/2012 02:39:28 PM
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Maybe, no, no, and no. Lucas had a much bigger impact that any of the film-makers .....
18/10/2012 04:40:41 AM
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