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I disagree. Chas Send a noteboard - 29/09/2009 01:14:57 AM
Or at least mostly disagree. The very end with them carrying Maximus off was pretty ridiculous.

He wasn't insane in that he could not think or strategize coherently. He thought differently than most people (to phrase it lightly), but that doesn't excuse his idiocy. As a Caesar, he had a whole lot of power. In real life Maximus would have been butchered and had his body dumped in a ditch, and Commodus would have reported him as having died on an imaginary front line or something.

Oh, and in response to the above comment saying "he had to fight Maximus in the arena because Maximus was loved by the people, etc.", that's utter ridiculousness and typical SF-F mentality. It's like saying "Lan just HAS to fight Galad before the end, man, he just HAS to! Think about it!!1!" Commodus didn't HAVE to do anything except protect himself, and going against a man like Maximus--even a stabbed Maximus--is so overwhelmingly stupid that it sucks the credibility out of the movie. And that's not even mentioning that CAESAR was just killed, and everyone there carries MAXIMUS out of the arena! FUCKING RETARDED! No way, no chance, no how.


These two statements I do disagree with. This is what he should have done, yes. But that argument ignores the fact that Commodus clearly has 'Daddy issues'- specifically a craving for approval. His father chose Maximus over him, his sister chose Maximus, and the people have chosen Maximus. He desire(s)d approval from all three. Killing his father fixed part of the issue he had with him, he has leverage over his sister so that's under control- but for the approval of the people he can't just toss Maximus out. He has to prove he's better than him (consequently proving to his father and sister that they chose wrong) and to do that he has to beat him in the venue that has brought Maximus to prominence. Thus single combat in front of the people of Rome.



Now having said that- the entire movie itself doesn't really stand up to subsequent viewings. For me however it's more the storyline of overthrowing Caesar in order to return power to the Senate.
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