As I said in my earlier post we have philosophical differences which is not to surprising (given your posts and thoughts elsewhere and your tag line) so I won't go into that again. Though over on the community form I would love to debate whether a republic is always better than a monarchy or not. I do agree that the changes to make strong female characters was a little to much, but then I've always laughed at people who said Tolkein wrote books that were anti-woman.
I don't think the show or the books are painting Danny in a good light. The only people the books paint in a good light is Rob and the other Stark men and women. And we all know what happens to them.
Oh and I don't agree the show is objectifying women simply by showing them nude *shrug* is some of it unnecessary sure but it hasn't been used gratuitously yet.
And I still don't agree that Martian's writing is somehow not subtle...but I seem to like the books more than you do anyway.
(THE FOLLOWING WILL HAVE PRETTY MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE SHOW FROM THE BOOKS SO MAY NOT WANT TO READ YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)
Ok onto Arya. In the books it was a little miffed about why Arya didn't ask to have Lord Father Lannister killed or some other figure of importance but it was somewhat understandable because of where she was, where they were, and such (I did get annoyed that she didn't have the leader of the castle killed but again that was somewhat understandable given age). Now that HE IS THE ONE SHE IS SERVING, it would make ZERO sense ZERO either in a character sense or a world sense for her not to ask for him to be killed. As well though we know the Lannisters and the Starks never liked each other all that much even before all this started I am going to find it REALLY hard to believe he would not recognize Arya for who she is. She doesn't look THAT different from how she did in the capitol and if anyone should be able to get a good explanation for how she looks it would be daddy Lannister. So she should be captured and returned to the capitol.
Now in the last books where she was being trained and learning to become no one...I thought that was the isle of the faceless men. Was it not? It is getting her to this temple and across the sea that I am having a hard time understanding how they are going to get to.
I don't think the show or the books are painting Danny in a good light. The only people the books paint in a good light is Rob and the other Stark men and women. And we all know what happens to them.
Oh and I don't agree the show is objectifying women simply by showing them nude *shrug* is some of it unnecessary sure but it hasn't been used gratuitously yet.
And I still don't agree that Martian's writing is somehow not subtle...but I seem to like the books more than you do anyway.
(THE FOLLOWING WILL HAVE PRETTY MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE SHOW FROM THE BOOKS SO MAY NOT WANT TO READ YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED)
Ok onto Arya. In the books it was a little miffed about why Arya didn't ask to have Lord Father Lannister killed or some other figure of importance but it was somewhat understandable because of where she was, where they were, and such (I did get annoyed that she didn't have the leader of the castle killed but again that was somewhat understandable given age). Now that HE IS THE ONE SHE IS SERVING, it would make ZERO sense ZERO either in a character sense or a world sense for her not to ask for him to be killed. As well though we know the Lannisters and the Starks never liked each other all that much even before all this started I am going to find it REALLY hard to believe he would not recognize Arya for who she is. She doesn't look THAT different from how she did in the capitol and if anyone should be able to get a good explanation for how she looks it would be daddy Lannister. So she should be captured and returned to the capitol.
Now in the last books where she was being trained and learning to become no one...I thought that was the isle of the faceless men. Was it not? It is getting her to this temple and across the sea that I am having a hard time understanding how they are going to get to.
Tywin doesn't know that Arya has escaped because Cersei hasn't told him. Because Cersei says she has both Stark girls, in Tywin's mind this must be true as his daughter would never (dare) lie to her. So why would be make any connection? Arya not killing Tywin is harder, but after she just threatened him in front of his officers (albeit subtly), I'm assuming she's smart enough to know she would be executed if Tywin dies. Or Tywin could do something to redeem himself in her eyes. Or could leave before she has a chance to say his name and she doesn't realise that the offer extends to anybody outside Harrenhal too.
I'd also argue that Robb isn't painted in a good light either, nor Jon nor Arya nor Cat nor Sansa. They all have flaws that severely override their inherent goodness. The complexity of being well-intentioned not being enough is a major point of the books IMO
Does the Devil ever struggle to be good again, or if so is he not a devil?
What difference does it make after all? Anonymity in the world of men is better than fame in heaven, for what's heaven? What's Earth? All in the mind.
What difference does it make after all? Anonymity in the world of men is better than fame in heaven, for what's heaven? What's Earth? All in the mind.
Game of Thrones 2.04 Garden of Bones: OF COURSE SHE HAS TO HAVE A JOB!
23/04/2012 04:14:01 PM
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Yeah, don't know where they're going with the Robb Stark love interest
23/04/2012 06:14:16 PM
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Fairly sure they cast Oona Chaplin as Jeyne EDIT
23/04/2012 07:17:18 PM
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Or they dropped the character all together, as they seem wont to do *NM*
23/04/2012 09:21:08 PM
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There's some confusion here.
23/04/2012 10:37:56 PM
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I'm guessing no.
23/04/2012 07:50:57 PM
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Re: I'm guessing no.
24/04/2012 05:23:01 AM
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It's not love for the system - it's an explanation that the system works
24/04/2012 02:30:58 PM
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Re: It's not love for the system - it's an explanation that the system works
01/05/2012 01:01:14 AM
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Oh, I agree. An aristocratic system mostly precludes equality before the law, a basic requirement
03/05/2012 08:29:08 PM
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interesting and surprisingly thought provoking. Enjoying talking governemtal theory here
09/05/2012 11:28:45 AM
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Re: interesting and surprisingly thought provoking. Enjoying talking governemtal theory here
10/05/2012 12:09:46 AM
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Re: interesting and surprisingly thought provoking. Enjoying talking governemtal theory here
18/05/2012 06:04:18 AM
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Re: interesting and surprisingly thought provoking. Enjoying talking governemtal theory here
12/05/2012 02:02:49 AM
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Re: interesting and surprisingly thought provoking. Enjoying talking governemtal theory here
18/05/2012 06:08:20 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones 2.04 Garden of Bones: OF COURSE SHE HAS TO HAVE A JOB!
24/04/2012 05:13:02 AM
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Re: Game of Thrones 2.04 Garden of Bones: OF COURSE SHE HAS TO HAVE A JOB!
24/04/2012 01:19:40 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones 2.04 Garden of Bones: OF COURSE SHE HAS TO HAVE A JOB!
01/05/2012 01:25:44 AM
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We've covered this to death on Westeros
01/05/2012 02:00:49 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones 2.04 Garden of Bones: OF COURSE SHE HAS TO HAVE A JOB!
03/05/2012 08:45:17 PM
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Re: Game of Thrones 2.04 Garden of Bones: OF COURSE SHE HAS TO HAVE A JOB!
09/05/2012 11:35:29 AM
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Yeah I dunno what to make of that either
24/04/2012 09:28:48 AM
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To be fair, non-readers come away with a different experience.
24/04/2012 02:19:01 PM
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Re: To be fair, non-readers come away with a different experience.
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