Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that.
Dan Send a noteboard - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM
You spoke with such pretentious authority about how words ought to be used, but once people started disagreeing with you it becomes "oh, well, I dislike that word, and a few others too". Where'd that should go?
The fact is, "male" and "female" in ordinary American language do not have the connotations you're ascribing to them. The only people who are agreeing with you are people who have a less than perfect grasp of American colloquial language, while the people here who have been objecting to you are native speakers who grew up with the language.
I'll probably get some flack for this, but frankly, it should be emphasized more. I'm not being a bigot, I am saying the following. Despite the fact that Americans eat cheeseburgers and hate healthcare, American English is in fact a very complex and nuanced language that people ought to respect just a bit more, particularly with issues this subtle. It should be afforded the same respect as Japanese or Attic Greek. Being raised here does matter in some of these liminal cases. Being intelligent, watching movies, and reading books will not help someone on an issue that is this complex. You need to be a native speaker living here.
Seriously this is the kind of radical feminism that is ridiculous. Female the word is in now way derogatory simply on its own can it be used that way...sure but so can any other descriptive term..."Well he's just male so you can't expect him to understand". Feminism in its best form is the radical notion that women are people...and that it is it. You go beyond that and you are getting into crazy town. I wouldn't call this a feminist movie because I like to think we have gotten past the idea that women can't be physically strong and active. But seeing a physically strong and outdoorsy female character is certainly always nice there are not enough of them. Anything that breaks the crazy princess stereotype is a good thing.
I'm not the only one that feels discomfort with the use of female as a noun. There are a couple men that spoke up in agreement and the responses to them have been respectful and polite. Why am I the only one being attacked like this?
The fact is, "male" and "female" in ordinary American language do not have the connotations you're ascribing to them. The only people who are agreeing with you are people who have a less than perfect grasp of American colloquial language, while the people here who have been objecting to you are native speakers who grew up with the language.
I'll probably get some flack for this, but frankly, it should be emphasized more. I'm not being a bigot, I am saying the following. Despite the fact that Americans eat cheeseburgers and hate healthcare, American English is in fact a very complex and nuanced language that people ought to respect just a bit more, particularly with issues this subtle. It should be afforded the same respect as Japanese or Attic Greek. Being raised here does matter in some of these liminal cases. Being intelligent, watching movies, and reading books will not help someone on an issue that is this complex. You need to be a native speaker living here.
Seriously this is the kind of radical feminism that is ridiculous. Female the word is in now way derogatory simply on its own can it be used that way...sure but so can any other descriptive term..."Well he's just male so you can't expect him to understand". Feminism in its best form is the radical notion that women are people...and that it is it. You go beyond that and you are getting into crazy town. I wouldn't call this a feminist movie because I like to think we have gotten past the idea that women can't be physically strong and active. But seeing a physically strong and outdoorsy female character is certainly always nice there are not enough of them. Anything that breaks the crazy princess stereotype is a good thing.
I'm not the only one that feels discomfort with the use of female as a noun. There are a couple men that spoke up in agreement and the responses to them have been respectful and polite. Why am I the only one being attacked like this?
The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review.
03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM
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"Written by a female with femalist themes"
03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM
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I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet
03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM
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It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM*
04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM
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I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist.
03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM
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Where do I start?
03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM
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But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well"
04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM
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Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying
03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM
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Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist?
03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM
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Why would I consider it to be femenist?
04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM
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I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical.
04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM
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Completely agree with your first paragraph
04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM
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To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think
04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM
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Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out
04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM
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Fair enough
04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM
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Stop using female as a noun!
04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM
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It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred
04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM
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It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one.
04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM
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I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though
04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM
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Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds.
04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM
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I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over
04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM
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You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize.
04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM
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Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory
04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM
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Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM*
04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM
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so if your problem is people using it disparagingly...
04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM
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That's not what I said.
04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM
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Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism.
06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM
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Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM*
09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM
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Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears)
06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM
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Nope. (edit)
06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM
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Re: Nope. (edit)
07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM
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"Female that"? That's even worse.
07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM
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Ok.
07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM
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Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes.
07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM
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However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM*
05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM
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Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one.
05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM
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English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words
06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM
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The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind.
04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM
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That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM
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Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM
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wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM*
04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM
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Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM
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Re: Stop using female as a noun!
05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM
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If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here.
05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM
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Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that.
06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM
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Fascinating.
06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM
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Re: Fascinating.
07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM
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Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references.
07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM
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What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is?
07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM
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Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong.
07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM
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Sorry, no. Read better.
07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM
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Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here.
09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM
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Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM*
06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM
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I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM*
09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM
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You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive
04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM
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Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive
04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM
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Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM*
03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM
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And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers*
04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM
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The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character
04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM
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