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so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... LadyLorraine Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM
why not just get all ruffled up about people doing so? Jens wasn't. He was neutrally referring to females as a group, just like doctors and scientists.

Like I said, I feel like the use of "female" negatively is more a matter of tone/context than anything. And that's the case with the connotation of any word.
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. Artsapat - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2187 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 971 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 791 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 917 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* Aeryn - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 780 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 728 Views
It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM* Cannoli - 04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM 815 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. ironclad - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 883 Views
Where do I start? Vivien - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 893 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 755 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 810 Views
But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well" Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM 874 Views
His racism point... Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 695 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying A Deathwatch Guard - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 797 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? Vivien - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 902 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? A Deathwatch Guard - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 786 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 865 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 840 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph DomA - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 803 Views
To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM 793 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 834 Views
Fair enough ironclad - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 872 Views
Stop using female as a noun! Vivien - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 798 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred ironclad - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 801 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. Legolas - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 793 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 726 Views
Thank you! ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 828 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. Legolas - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 810 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 847 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 762 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 737 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 979 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 709 Views
That's not what I said. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 822 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 752 Views
Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism. Dan - 06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM 755 Views
Oh please. Stop telling females to shut up. *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:45:58 PM 795 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 775 Views
Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM 825 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) Dan - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 793 Views
Nope. (edit) Legolas - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 790 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) Dan - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 856 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. Legolas - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 745 Views
Ok. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1024 Views
Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes. Legolas - 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM 744 Views
However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM* Aeryn - 05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM 692 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 798 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. nossy - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 808 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words Dan - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 871 Views
LOL! You don't say... DomA - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 775 Views
LOL u so mad Dan - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 771 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 753 Views
My dear Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 802 Views
LOL ironclad - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 651 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 634 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 772 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 762 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 752 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 756 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 785 Views
ooookay then. LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 841 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM 825 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! dacole - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 703 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. Vivien - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 740 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. nossy - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 755 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. Dan - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 772 Views
Fascinating. Vivien - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 801 Views
Re: Fascinating. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 778 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. Vivien - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 777 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? Dan - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 837 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. Legolas - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 712 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. Dan - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 751 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Legolas - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 739 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Dan - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 841 Views
Aha, we found the problem Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 826 Views
You're being disingenuous. Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 753 Views
Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. dacole - 09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM 766 Views
Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM* snoopcester - 06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM 655 Views
I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM 744 Views
To be fair Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 792 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 816 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 765 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Bored - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 782 Views
This Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 761 Views
Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM* Legolas - 03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM 727 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 736 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* Mat Maniac - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 800 Views
I think that might be debatable Cannoli - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 775 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. Vivien - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 725 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character Cannoli - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 824 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 723 Views
Rachel, of course. Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 783 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) Legolas - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 836 Views
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