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Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Bored Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM
His whole point isn't that she's passive, it's that she's not in control of her own decisions.
I would love to hear some examples from you, which show where he s wrong. It would help him to put his arguments (and to be honest yours too, which so far boils down to "I haven't really read what he said, but he is wrong, believe me";) in perspective.


Speaking as someone who has read the book, the author has a point. To a certain degree, many of her decisions are negated by the actions of others in the book. What the author doesn't mention is that this is a theme of the book. They live in a very controlled society, undera very strict authoritarian government. They are kidnapped away from their families, forced to perform in costumes provided by others. Manipulated in interviews and by their mentors. Then thrust into an arena where every aspect of the environment can be twisted and changed by the people on the outside to manipulate reactions from the characters.

The loss of female "agency" in the book isn't so much an anti-feminist portrayal. It is an integral theme to the series and it most definitely continues through the other books.

That said, there are times in all three books where Katniss forces her own will into the situation. Volunteering as tribute is the most obvious one that comes to mind for the first book. Choosing to take poison with Peeta at the end is another. She is not allowed to follow through with that for obvious reasons, but she turned the tables on the game makers to force their hands.
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2186 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 969 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 789 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 916 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 779 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 727 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 881 Views
Where do I start? - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 891 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 754 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 809 Views
His racism point... - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 694 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 796 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 901 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 784 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 840 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 802 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 832 Views
Fair enough - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 871 Views
Stop using female as a noun! - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 797 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 799 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 792 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 725 Views
Thank you! - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 828 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 810 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 846 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 761 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 737 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 978 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 708 Views
That's not what I said. - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 821 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 751 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 774 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 792 Views
Nope. (edit) - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 790 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 855 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 744 Views
Ok. - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1023 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 797 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 806 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 870 Views
LOL! You don't say... - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 774 Views
LOL u so mad - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 770 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 752 Views
My dear - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 799 Views
LOL - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 647 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 633 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 771 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 760 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 751 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 755 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 785 Views
ooookay then. - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 841 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 702 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 739 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 754 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 771 Views
Fascinating. - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 800 Views
Re: Fascinating. - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 777 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 776 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 836 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 711 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 750 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 737 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 840 Views
Aha, we found the problem - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 824 Views
You're being disingenuous. - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 751 Views
To be fair - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 791 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 814 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 764 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 782 Views
This - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 759 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 735 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 800 Views
I think that might be debatable - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 775 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 723 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 823 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 722 Views
Rachel, of course. - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 782 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 833 Views