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And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* Mat Maniac Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM
Not actively pursuing and killing the other competitors in NOT the same as not making a choice. She was forced (with some slight volunteering) into a situation where she was presented with 2 options (Kill or be killed), and chose the third (survival). This choosing the third, non-presented, option is not unique to this story and is a common element in stories themed around maintaining morality in an "immoral" environment.

Though the capitol has removed so many of the people's freedoms, Katniss is able to maintain her free will and choose to not descend into the violent murder role that the capitol has chosen for her.

In the end it could be debated that her choice to maintain her morality was more important to her than her own life when she chose double suicide when the gamemakers' reneged on their implied promise of a possible two survivors. I say debate because IIRC it is not 100% clear whether she would have gone though with it even if she felt the gamemakers were going to allow their deaths.
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. Artsapat - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2425 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 1183 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 1008 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 1138 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* Aeryn - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 990 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 930 Views
It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM* Cannoli - 04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM 1007 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. ironclad - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 1098 Views
Where do I start? Vivien - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 1101 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 957 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 1010 Views
But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well" Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM 1091 Views
His racism point... Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 910 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying A Deathwatch Guard - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 992 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? Vivien - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 1101 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? A Deathwatch Guard - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 998 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 1064 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 1054 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph DomA - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 1020 Views
To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM 981 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 1052 Views
Fair enough ironclad - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 1098 Views
Stop using female as a noun! Vivien - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 992 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred ironclad - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 1039 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. Legolas - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 989 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 912 Views
Thank you! ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 1029 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. Legolas - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 1012 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 1051 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 965 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 935 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 1167 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 913 Views
That's not what I said. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 1078 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 969 Views
Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism. Dan - 06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM 974 Views
Oh please. Stop telling females to shut up. *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:45:58 PM 1060 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 978 Views
Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM 1035 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) Dan - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 1006 Views
Nope. (edit) Legolas - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 1009 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) Dan - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 1065 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. Legolas - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 943 Views
Ok. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1252 Views
Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes. Legolas - 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM 946 Views
However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM* Aeryn - 05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM 911 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 1004 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. nossy - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 1017 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words Dan - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 1093 Views
LOL! You don't say... DomA - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 979 Views
LOL u so mad Dan - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 966 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 961 Views
My dear Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 1022 Views
LOL ironclad - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 844 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 839 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 986 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 949 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 940 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 959 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 988 Views
ooookay then. LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 1033 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM 1016 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! dacole - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 889 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. Vivien - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 935 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. nossy - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 966 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. Dan - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 982 Views
Fascinating. Vivien - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 985 Views
Re: Fascinating. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 985 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. Vivien - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 976 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? Dan - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 1036 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. Legolas - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 911 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. Dan - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 941 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Legolas - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 938 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Dan - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 1075 Views
Aha, we found the problem Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 1050 Views
You're being disingenuous. Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 960 Views
Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. dacole - 09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM 963 Views
Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM* snoopcester - 06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM 832 Views
I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM 960 Views
To be fair Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 990 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 1013 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 955 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Bored - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 959 Views
This Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 956 Views
Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM* Legolas - 03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM 932 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 954 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* Mat Maniac - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 1002 Views
I think that might be debatable Cannoli - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 983 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. Vivien - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 923 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character Cannoli - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 1039 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 930 Views
Rachel, of course. Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 1036 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) Legolas - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 1030 Views
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