I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical.
Vivien Send a noteboard - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM
Yeah, I want to say that it's just a normal movie, I really do. But how may big budget wildly successful action movies can you think of where the main character is not only female but also not sexualized? Just the fact that people thought that only women would watch it because the main character is female tells you something. We have to deal with reality as it is, not with how it should be and there's nothing wrong with recognizing victories, no matter how small, when they occur.
I do not think that a movie has to be radical to be feminist, and I definitely don't think that it should involve putting men down to qualify. That's not what feminism is about.
Article- I have not desire to engage with it at all. Suffice it to say that there is no factual basis to anything in there. If you don't want to take my word for it, that's up to you but I have no intention of even looking at it again so I'm not going to rebut it line by line.
I do not think that a movie has to be radical to be feminist, and I definitely don't think that it should involve putting men down to qualify. That's not what feminism is about.
Article- I have not desire to engage with it at all. Suffice it to say that there is no factual basis to anything in there. If you don't want to take my word for it, that's up to you but I have no intention of even looking at it again so I'm not going to rebut it line by line.
People thinking that it is feminist is what saddens me. Both those that think it's feminist and dislike it, and those that think it's feminist and laud it. Because finding it to be feminist just because it has a female main character is admitting defeat. It means that when a movie has a male MC it's just a normal movie, but if it has a female character then it's feminist. That isn't the way it should be, -isms should be reserved for when something is truly radical. I'd call a movie feminist if it was bringing women up while putting men down, not if it's just featuring a female character. That to me is perfectly ordinary.
As for why I said I can imagine it to be true... Yes, I realize it is quite ridiculous to say that I don't know a thing about the movie or the books, and to make any sort of comment on the article afterward. However it, and this topic, intrigued me, so here I am replying anyway. What I meant by it is that I agreed with what the article said about Cinderella, and the need for a character to make active decisions in order to qualify as "strong." Given that I don't see a problem with that portion of the article's logic, it becomes very believable that Katniss isn't the action heroine she has been touted to be.
If the article's writer really isn't familiar with the material like you say, obviously that changes things. As for you calling it garbage, sorry, but I don't know you any better than I do the article writer. You haven't expressed anything other than saying most of it is garbage, while the article (the portion of it that I read) expressed some thoughts that I agreed with. So yeah, it doesn't seem too unbelievable to think the article could be right about the rest. Until it is proven otherwise, of course.
As for why I said I can imagine it to be true... Yes, I realize it is quite ridiculous to say that I don't know a thing about the movie or the books, and to make any sort of comment on the article afterward. However it, and this topic, intrigued me, so here I am replying anyway. What I meant by it is that I agreed with what the article said about Cinderella, and the need for a character to make active decisions in order to qualify as "strong." Given that I don't see a problem with that portion of the article's logic, it becomes very believable that Katniss isn't the action heroine she has been touted to be.
If the article's writer really isn't familiar with the material like you say, obviously that changes things. As for you calling it garbage, sorry, but I don't know you any better than I do the article writer. You haven't expressed anything other than saying most of it is garbage, while the article (the portion of it that I read) expressed some thoughts that I agreed with. So yeah, it doesn't seem too unbelievable to think the article could be right about the rest. Until it is proven otherwise, of course.
The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review.
03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM
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"Written by a female with femalist themes"
03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM
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I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet
03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM
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It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM*
04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM
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I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist.
03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM
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Where do I start?
03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM
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But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well"
04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM
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Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying
03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM
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Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist?
03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM
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Why would I consider it to be femenist?
04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM
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I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical.
04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM
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Completely agree with your first paragraph
04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM
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To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think
04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM
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Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out
04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM
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Fair enough
04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM
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Stop using female as a noun!
04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM
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It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred
04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM
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It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one.
04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM
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I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though
04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM
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Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds.
04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM
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I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over
04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM
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You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize.
04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM
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Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory
04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM
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Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM*
04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM
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so if your problem is people using it disparagingly...
04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM
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That's not what I said.
04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM
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Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism.
06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM
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Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM*
09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM
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Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears)
06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM
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Nope. (edit)
06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM
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Re: Nope. (edit)
07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM
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"Female that"? That's even worse.
07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM
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Ok.
07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM
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Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes.
07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM
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However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM*
05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM
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Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one.
05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM
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English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words
06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM
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The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind.
04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM
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That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM
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Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM
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wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM*
04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM
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Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that.
05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM
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Re: Stop using female as a noun!
05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM
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If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here.
05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM
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Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that.
06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM
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Fascinating.
06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM
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Re: Fascinating.
07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM
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Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references.
07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM
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What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is?
07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM
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Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong.
07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM
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Sorry, no. Read better.
07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM
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Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here.
09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM
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Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM*
06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM
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I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM*
09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM
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You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive
04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM
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Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive
04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM
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Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM*
03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM
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And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers*
04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM
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The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character
04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM
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