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Where do I start? Vivien Send a noteboard - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM
The fact that is was a well written female character and if it was a male character the story wouldn't have been that different is what makes it so awesome and yes, feminist. That is what a feminist movie looks like. I'm glad you enjoyed it! That is what feminism is all about.

"(except that less females would have been interested in this)". Do you really think this? Like less "females" were into Harry Potter?

I wouldn't have enjoyed if it had been the preachy "females can be as strong and cool as guys" kinda story. It wasn't.
The fact that it has a female heroine was entirely insignificant for the theme and the story of the film. Yes, it's nice to see a well written young female character. But it could have been a boy as well and not much would have changed (except that less females would have been interested in this).

It was far from being a flawless film (or book, probably) but this (or his racism point, which I don't even get) are hardly points to bring up against it.
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The Hunger Games gets a ... different kind of review. Artsapat - 03/04/2012 03:37:39 PM 2187 Views
"Written by a female with femalist themes" Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:38:54 PM 971 Views
Ok, I did and basically it's garbage. *NM* Vivien - 03/04/2012 04:53:00 PM 791 Views
I grant that I haven't read the Hunger Games yet LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 05:10:38 PM 917 Views
No, it's totally off. *NM* Aeryn - 03/04/2012 05:39:03 PM 780 Views
fair enough. like I said, I haven't read it yet. *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/04/2012 07:20:34 PM 728 Views
It's not. That's what shallow idiots say about things where women have power or physical skills *NM* Cannoli - 04/04/2012 03:45:22 PM 814 Views
I can only speak for the film, which was not feminist. ironclad - 03/04/2012 06:01:18 PM 883 Views
Where do I start? Vivien - 03/04/2012 07:43:18 PM 893 Views
Hermoine was the most kick ass of the Potter kids. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:08:17 AM 755 Views
So? Hunger Games has lots of male characters. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:30:21 AM 810 Views
But that is exactly what feminist means "it could have been a boy just as well" Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:42:43 PM 874 Views
His racism point... Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:32:43 PM 695 Views
Makes me almost wish I knew the source material so I could judge what he is saying A Deathwatch Guard - 03/04/2012 10:50:48 PM 797 Views
Why don't you think the Hunger Games are feminist? Vivien - 03/04/2012 11:17:53 PM 902 Views
Why would I consider it to be femenist? A Deathwatch Guard - 04/04/2012 01:51:24 AM 786 Views
I just don't consider feminism as something that has to be radical. Vivien - 04/04/2012 05:42:59 AM 865 Views
Completely agree with your first paragraph ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:22:35 AM 840 Views
Re: Completely agree with your first paragraph DomA - 04/04/2012 01:43:55 PM 803 Views
To you "feminist" is a dirty word? To me, it means acceptable. Differences in definitions I think Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:50:32 PM 793 Views
Unfortunately truly ordinary female characters are so rare that the exceptions stand out Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:49:16 PM 834 Views
Fair enough ironclad - 04/04/2012 02:33:22 PM 872 Views
Stop using female as a noun! Vivien - 04/04/2012 03:51:13 PM 798 Views
It's stuff like that that makes you lose cred ironclad - 04/04/2012 05:26:24 PM 801 Views
It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. Legolas - 04/04/2012 07:30:18 PM 793 Views
I don't think Jens was really using it that way, though LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:34:28 PM 726 Views
Thank you! ironclad - 04/04/2012 08:03:38 PM 828 Views
Of course he didn't intend it that way, but that's how it sounds. Legolas - 04/04/2012 08:06:03 PM 810 Views
I understand that, but it's still such a ridiculous thing to get fussed over LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:20:01 PM 847 Views
You are rather exaggerating just how "fussed" anyone did get, you do realize. Legolas - 04/04/2012 09:51:22 PM 762 Views
Her tone was not just "informative". It was accusatory LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:17:57 PM 737 Views
Female is perfectly acceptable to use in a medical/clinical setting. *NM* Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:36:57 PM 979 Views
so if your problem is people using it disparagingly... LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:45:10 PM 708 Views
That's not what I said. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:51:41 PM 822 Views
I'm going to have to just outright disagree with you then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:54:25 PM 752 Views
Which flies in the face of it's ordinary usage, which smacks of needless revisionism. Dan - 06/04/2012 09:42:15 AM 755 Views
Oh please. Stop telling females to shut up. *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:45:58 PM 795 Views
If I wanted to be accusatory... Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:05:37 PM 775 Views
Accusatory of what.i think you meant annoyed. So youre annoyed she was annoyed? Let's out this to re *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:44:17 PM 825 Views
Are you a native English speaker, Legolas? (Clarified to preempt possible internet tears) Dan - 06/04/2012 09:29:28 AM 793 Views
Nope. (edit) Legolas - 06/04/2012 07:23:54 PM 790 Views
Re: Nope. (edit) Dan - 07/04/2012 04:51:30 AM 856 Views
"Female that"? That's even worse. Legolas - 07/04/2012 11:42:00 AM 745 Views
Ok. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:27:16 PM 1024 Views
Let's try and whittle this down some so as to help you with the quotes. Legolas - 07/04/2012 05:42:32 PM 744 Views
However he meant it, it was unpleasant to read. Just use "woman" instead. *NM* Aeryn - 05/04/2012 08:13:13 PM 692 Views
Re: It's fairly derogatory as a noun, though, have to agree with Vivien on that one. DomA - 05/04/2012 02:21:21 AM 798 Views
I think the language difference is really interesting. nossy - 05/04/2012 03:13:03 PM 808 Views
English is not French, and it's not German. Particularly the connotations of American English words Dan - 06/04/2012 09:39:00 AM 871 Views
LOL! You don't say... DomA - 06/04/2012 05:06:20 PM 775 Views
LOL u so mad Dan - 06/04/2012 06:19:28 PM 771 Views
The prospect of "losing cred" is not going to stop me from speaking my mind. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:30:03 PM 753 Views
My dear Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:07:34 PM 802 Views
LOL ironclad - 09/04/2012 01:57:53 PM 651 Views
guess what, it is a noun. *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:26:39 PM 634 Views
That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 04/04/2012 08:19:02 PM 772 Views
well it's important that you say "female human" LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 09:28:45 PM 762 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. Vivien - 04/04/2012 10:48:07 PM 752 Views
wait, so now you're claiming it's a grammatical thing? *NM* LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 10:58:31 PM 756 Views
No, I have issues with words that begin with the letter f. Vivien - 04/04/2012 11:09:45 PM 785 Views
ooookay then. LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 11:11:23 PM 841 Views
Re: That's the first time I have ever heard/seen anyone say that. nossy - 05/04/2012 02:08:26 AM 825 Views
Re: Stop using female as a noun! dacole - 05/04/2012 02:18:47 PM 703 Views
If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. Vivien - 05/04/2012 05:59:16 PM 740 Views
For the record, I certainly don't think you're crazy town. nossy - 05/04/2012 07:23:18 PM 755 Views
Oh, so now we're using 'dislike' instead of 'should'. It's funny how you fell back on that. Dan - 06/04/2012 10:01:59 AM 772 Views
Fascinating. Vivien - 06/04/2012 09:54:47 PM 801 Views
Re: Fascinating. Dan - 07/04/2012 03:54:26 AM 777 Views
Just in case (however slim that chance may be) you are genuinely interested in citations/references. Vivien - 07/04/2012 05:34:37 AM 777 Views
What a joke. Do you even know what grammar is? Dan - 07/04/2012 05:57:40 AM 837 Views
Oh, come off it. This should be the point where you admit to being wrong. Legolas - 07/04/2012 12:11:07 PM 712 Views
Sorry, no. Read better. Dan - 07/04/2012 02:23:10 PM 751 Views
*deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Legolas - 07/04/2012 06:38:08 PM 739 Views
Re: *deletes long reply* Let's focus on the essence here. Dan - 07/04/2012 09:26:34 PM 841 Views
Aha, we found the problem Aeryn - 09/04/2012 01:03:35 PM 826 Views
You're being disingenuous. Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:57:38 PM 753 Views
Re: If dislike of the use of female as a noun makes me crazy town, I'm not the only crazy in here. dacole - 09/04/2012 03:09:06 AM 766 Views
Nothing wrong with your use of female. You should ignore those crazy foreigners saying otherwise. *NM* snoopcester - 06/04/2012 02:49:41 PM 655 Views
I think I'll start saying males instead of men. If the males here don't mind? *NM* Aeryn - 09/04/2012 12:58:54 PM 744 Views
To be fair Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:37:25 PM 792 Views
You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Aeryn - 04/04/2012 01:46:16 PM 816 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Artsapat - 04/04/2012 02:23:33 PM 765 Views
Re: You didn't see thmovie? She is far from passive Bored - 04/04/2012 07:51:46 PM 782 Views
This Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:20:04 AM 761 Views
Interesting. I really need to read these books soon, evidently. *NM* Legolas - 03/04/2012 10:52:43 PM 727 Views
I got half way through the review and got bored. MightyYT - 04/04/2012 03:09:58 AM 736 Views
And it appears the writer of the article completely missed a central point of the story *spoilers* Mat Maniac - 04/04/2012 05:44:40 AM 800 Views
I think that might be debatable Cannoli - 05/04/2012 06:59:35 PM 775 Views
She still made plenty of choices and she did choose to kill. Vivien - 05/04/2012 07:13:47 PM 725 Views
The reviewer is kind of full of it, but makes a good point about the character Cannoli - 04/04/2012 04:22:30 PM 824 Views
Out of curiosity (this off topic) LadyLorraine - 04/04/2012 07:32:25 PM 722 Views
Rachel, of course. Cannoli - 05/04/2012 12:17:41 AM 783 Views
Well. Now I've actually seen it. (mild spoilers) Legolas - 09/04/2012 12:17:03 AM 836 Views
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