Re: Because 7-10 year olds are really into trade regulation?
DomA Send a noteboard - 29/02/2012 12:16:51 AM
So, first. "Kid movies." Yes, they are. However, the fans of the original series grew up, and have more mature tastes.
... and if they can get interested in movies for 7-10 y.o. anymore, they probably should watch something else.
But if they're for kids, what's with all the political/economic stuff? It's not something they're interested in, and it's not handled in an interesting fashion.
The movies aren't about politics and economics. This merely provided a background for the story Lucas wanted to tell, and that was essentially Anakin's downfall.
Lucas put just enough of the background story in the movies to keep it all coherent and form a whole with the war of the OT. Kids are not interested in trade disputes, sure, no more than they were interested back then with the background politics of the Empire. They're not bored because they sure love the silly Nemoidians!
Politics were dealt with much the same way in the OT: a background element.
And if those scenes are for the "adults," then that opens the film up to other criticisms. The main one being that it is entirely possible to write stories and characters that are enjoyed by both kids AND adults.
Of course it's possible, but keep in mind we're dealing with a director who's repeated over and over he didn't make those movies for adults. The adults who enjoyed the prequels a lot simply watched them with the eyes of kids.
There are plenty of examples of books and movies that are enjoyed on one level by kids and another by adults. The original trilogy, from what I've heard (I'm 26, so wasn't around when it first came out), was one of them.
You'd be wrong there. The original movies didn't get a much more favorable critical reception than the PT, and that never stopped people from going to see the movies. The OT had fairly little impact back then on people over 16 y.o. (if you wanted to bore to death my older cousins or the babysitters back then, you went on and on with your SW obsession...), and if it draw in an adult audience, it's largely because the VFX were so unique that people wanted to see that, and parents went along with their kids too. The adults cared little for the "silly" characters and story, they enjoyed the movies because they were unique. The prequel trilogy couldn't enjoy that "novelty effect".
Phantom Menace DID suffer from a lack of a main protagonist. The space battle at the end of the movie WAS kind of stupid ("Oops! I accidentally fired a missile down a hallway and blew up an entire ship!"
And what exactly was Qui-Gon if not the main protagonist of TPM, while Obi-Wan/Anakin/Padmé took the lead in the second one, and Obi-Wan in the third.
As for the space battle, it still makes me laugh personally. It was a rather funny and silly parallel to the end of ANH, all the more funny because the hapless kid is Vader. I don't mind this sort of childish humour, not when watching SW. Lucas just takes himself far less seriously than some of the OT fans.
Beside, this sort of things are commonplace in the OT. Space slug, the end of Boba Fett, Threepio as a god to teddy bears, the Ewoks in the battle and so on. Among that, having a 9 y.o. blew up a ship by accident hardly stand out as particularly "stupid".
(For the record, people talk about Darth Maul as a potential villain not because he was so amazing, but because there aren't many alternatives. Dooku and Grievous don't stir the imagination nearly as much as Maul did)
Lucas tought Maul had become too instantly iconic, à la Vader. He went for a little more subdued villains on purpose. With Dooku he wanted an understated character closer to Tarkin, and Grievious as a cyborg was largely designed to be a transitional character (who was largely there to split Anakin from Obi-Wan). There are two main villains in the prequels: what goes on within Anakin, and Palpatine. Lucas had to be subtle with Palpatine, not to preserve "the surprise" as so many misjudged, but so Palpatine could credibly deceive the characters down to Yoda. In the third episode he steals the show. Lucas didn't want the Sith apprentices to undermine what happens in the third episode.
What if Episode 1 was good?
28/02/2012 05:11:40 AM
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Talking people are annoying, especially when their first idea is stupid
28/02/2012 01:51:50 PM
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Re: Talking people are annoying, especially when their first idea is stupid
28/02/2012 02:12:37 PM
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Are you talking about the guy with the deep thick voice who affects a stupid tone?
28/02/2012 06:29:15 PM
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Errrr you're not really addressing the video
28/02/2012 02:55:46 PM
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Re: Errrr you're not really addressing the video
28/02/2012 04:22:16 PM
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Because 7-10 year olds are really into trade regulation?
28/02/2012 07:42:43 PM
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Qui-Gon is the protagonist if you absolutely need one (though I don't know why you do)
28/02/2012 10:59:23 PM
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Re: Because 7-10 year olds are really into trade regulation?
29/02/2012 12:16:51 AM
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Actually, I didn't get that far. The guy annoyed me so much I shut it off after the last point
28/02/2012 06:45:43 PM
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Hah, I do!
28/02/2012 07:55:52 PM
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Re: Actually, I didn't get that far. The guy annoyed me so much I shut it off after the last point
15/03/2012 02:10:17 PM
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Re: Talking people are annoying, especially when their first idea is stupid
28/02/2012 03:16:48 PM
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I'd really like to see some discussion with Lucas being challenged
28/02/2012 08:05:16 PM
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There is little to none canon that doesn't get signed by Lucas and his little helpers
28/02/2012 10:30:34 PM
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Re: There is little to none canon that doesn't get signed by Lucas and his little helpers
29/02/2012 12:48:54 AM
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I mean, the Solo/Leia love story wasn't particularly complex
29/02/2012 06:42:37 PM
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Re: I mean, the Solo/Leia love story wasn't particularly complex
02/03/2012 06:06:48 PM
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I thought the Padme-Anakin relationship was kind of plausible, just not addressed well in the films
02/03/2012 08:52:52 PM
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Who here thinks they could make a better Episode I ?
06/03/2012 06:43:58 PM
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