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Where's the fun in only arguing one side? :p Nate Send a noteboard - 14/09/2011 11:10:05 PM
Yes. So do I. As I just argued to Dom. The reason why Valkyrie is a more dubious case is that it's not so much a "classic story" as it is a part of recent German history (not as recent as some things that people already care far less about, true, but then there are many reasons why WW2 remains "recent" for a good while). And then there's Tom Cruise, a believer of a rather absurd cult that Germany in particular already has issues with anyhow, and a man whose motivation for making this movie was, as I recall, "as a kid I always fantasized about killing Hitler".


Is it fair to say, then, that your issues with the film are more about the many incidentals and circumstances surrounding it than about the actual content that's on the screen? If you watched the movie knowing nothing about Tom Cruise or the director or the controversy about doing that sort of portrayal of 60-year-old German history, would you still dislike it?

Also, there's the argument that even though Stauffenberg is a very German icon, his story is utterly wound up in the overall history of WWII, which is of massive historical interest to people from nations throughout the world, including America.
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Oh dear. I may not survive this. *NM* Camilla - 13/09/2011 01:34:33 PM 188 Views
I plan to... DomA - 13/09/2011 09:51:33 PM 492 Views
are there French actors who would lower themselves to an America Film? LadyLorraine - 14/09/2011 02:49:53 PM 430 Views
Gerard Depardieu? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 14/09/2011 10:58:16 PM 189 Views
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Re: The "lower" was mostly a joke DomA - 15/09/2011 04:28:36 AM 454 Views
I explained to you why a majority of America would not be comfortable. LadyLorraine - 15/09/2011 01:27:19 PM 433 Views
Although, from what I recall of my brief anime phase... Fanatic-Templar - 15/09/2011 06:43:05 PM 456 Views
anime usually STARTS weird and uncomfortable *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2011 09:39:01 PM 190 Views
Re: I explained to you why a majority of America would not be comfortable. DomA - 16/09/2011 10:48:36 PM 438 Views
That seems a bit harsh. Legolas - 14/09/2011 07:35:56 PM 611 Views
I am confused... ironclad - 14/09/2011 09:46:45 PM 402 Views
At a guess ... Nate - 14/09/2011 10:05:00 PM 508 Views
No. I try to pretend Valkyrie doesn't exist. Legolas - 14/09/2011 10:12:25 PM 578 Views
Can I ask why? You've got me curious. Nate - 14/09/2011 10:33:57 PM 489 Views
Are you really trying to make me argue both sides of the argument in one thread? Legolas - 14/09/2011 11:04:50 PM 461 Views
Where's the fun in only arguing one side? :p Nate - 14/09/2011 11:10:05 PM 421 Views
Clearly the answer is I shouldn't refer to movies I haven't seen nor want to see. Legolas - 14/09/2011 10:10:37 PM 447 Views
I had no idea Scarlett and Ashley were played by brits *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/09/2011 11:01:06 PM 197 Views
And not just any Brits... Leslie Howard died on some sort of mission for his government in the war. Legolas - 14/09/2011 11:08:26 PM 404 Views
I don't care much about the nationality of actors Darth_Katie - 14/09/2011 11:51:57 PM 447 Views
+1 *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2011 01:47:30 AM 164 Views
Re: That seems a bit harsh. DomA - 15/09/2011 01:54:45 AM 566 Views
Ok, if Orlando Bloom is a cackling over-acting villian, I may have to see this. Darth_Katie - 13/09/2011 10:03:06 PM 451 Views
lol!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 14/09/2011 02:43:21 PM 194 Views
Haven't seen it yet, but... Not An Hava - 14/09/2011 02:17:02 AM 575 Views
I think with that attitude it is entirely possible to have fun with this film. *NM* ironclad - 14/09/2011 11:48:50 AM 197 Views
Man, it's been a long time since I read "The Three Musketeers". Fanatic-Templar - 15/09/2011 05:16:06 AM 527 Views
Definitely waiting for this to hit the cheap theater. Then it can just be a guilty pleasure. *NM* Zalis - 15/09/2011 01:24:23 PM 196 Views
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