Well said. Except for quitting after one book. *NM*
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 17/06/2011 09:38:37 PM
Always seemed to me like NOT having morals killed him, and as far as it being a shock, I recall throwing the book across the room the moment he agreed to it because it OBVIOUSLY made him as dead as he was dishonored. The one character in the entire book I actually respected and understood, and he not only sacrifices his loyalty to honor, justice, his best friend and his kingdom, but in such a blindingly STUPID way that it made me wonder whether prison had shattered his mind. He surrendered the sole (but substantial) leverage he had, which meant he had no way to force the Lannisters to honor any part of the deal. Whatever Joffrey does is irrelevant (and for all the "I based it on the Wars of the Roses" talk, juvenile kings of that era were entirely pawns of whomever managed to get themselves appointed regent, usually mothers like Cersei). The Lannisters CANNOT allow Ned to live knowing what he knows, both because they can't afford it to become common knowledge and because Ned would've spent whatever life would have remained him seeking vengeance at any cost (and, clearly, if the price is right Neds honor's as negotiable that of everyone in ASoIaF). The moment he agrees to their terms he's a dead man who can save nothing and no one, but by agreeing to them in the first place he's also dishonored; he dies for nothing, and is truly the traitor he confesses to be, just for different reasons.
Ned Stark didn't die for his principles, he died for his stupidity and weakness, but that's ASoIaF for ya. I'm glad I only read one volume; I just wish I could regain those few hours better spent otherwise.
Ned Stark didn't die for his principles, he died for his stupidity and weakness, but that's ASoIaF for ya. I'm glad I only read one volume; I just wish I could regain those few hours better spent otherwise.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
interesting thread over on tv guide...cannoli will hate it.
13/06/2011 05:14:48 AM
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He was going to put aside his principles and say, 'I betrayed my country and my king and my people'.
13/06/2011 05:55:39 AM
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I am sorry but that is a bunch of BS
13/06/2011 12:01:18 PM
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Even if I concede he was dead from the moment he was captured, that leaves HOW he died to determine.
13/06/2011 04:14:44 PM
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Ned is a northerner, and well aware of the good he could have done on the Wall.
13/06/2011 05:49:40 PM
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That was not the clincher though. What good he could do on the Wall is nothing next to a usurper
17/06/2011 08:47:06 PM
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Look up the concept of hostages sometime. Plus, Varys was playing Ned.
17/06/2011 09:15:02 PM
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So what should have Ned done, once he was in that cell? *NM*
18/06/2011 04:50:27 AM
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Stick to his guns and not agree to take the Black or recant his actions against Joffrey
04/07/2011 03:29:23 PM
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I'd pick family over honour.
13/06/2011 10:05:46 PM
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Cersie is the one who says "love is poison" in the second book to Sansa.
15/06/2011 06:54:21 PM
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And some day, when your kid needed people to trust you, you'd be screwed.
17/06/2011 09:37:25 PM
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Well said. Except for quitting after one book. *NM*
17/06/2011 09:38:37 PM
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