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Yeah, I think we were just getting confused with some terms. Aemon Send a noteboard - 20/04/2011 08:04:47 AM
It's neither, or perhaps it's me who doesn't understand what you call the "soap opera effect". What you brought up do exist, it's a display setting that speeds up display, faking a higher frame rate and thus the eye perceive smoother movements on screen. It's all it does, and it's not what pros would refer to as "frame interpolation". It creates no new data, the way the 3:2 pulldown does in postproduction (3:2 pulldown is strictly a conversion from 24p or 25p t0 29.97 (59,94 @ 120 Khz)fps, it merely splits and rearranges the display of existing data to fake more in-between frames that don't actually exist. It works fairly well or looks shitty depending on the original footage, as it's not meant to work on all HD formats and often should be turned off.


Whatever the technical reason, people definitely think of the soap opera effect as the "too smooth" motion of certain processing effects. These effects are almost always associated with the higher hz tv modes. As far as the mode itself, though, I'm sure you're completely correct about it not being what the pros call "interpolation." I've basically just been using that term because it's what I've seen advertised. Samsung, for example, has this in their tv ad:

"Automotion Plus 120Hz image interpolation technology provides smoother motion"

It'd hardly be unusual for an ad to use the wrong term for marketing purposes though.

What I meant, though, is that this setting strictly has nothing to do with what people normally mean by finding HD is "too crisp", "too real" or that it looks like cheap telly (soap opera quality),

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People tend to associate this with "soap opera" because in SD it's cheap TV that used to be shot so bright (with bad lighting and bad make-ups) you could see how fake everything was.


Again, I think we just have a mix-up of terms. I know what you're talking about with lighting and general quality issues that are associated with soap operas. I guess you were arguing that side of the issue, while I jumped right to the motion thing that's usually termed the "soap opera effect." I guess just because that's just what I'm used to hearing most people complain about. I very rarely hear someone say "the lighting seemed slightly off; it reminded me of a soap opera." No, I hear, "I turned on this weird mode and things got way too smooth, kind of like a soap opera."

Two sides of the same coin, I guess.

It's mostly for lack of time, and because to be honest I have little interest in TV circuitry and I would need to go read just tedious articles to see what it's all about and how it relates to the end of the process I know well.


Very understandable. Internet debates get tedious sometimes. :P I appreciate you coming back to it though. There's nothing more frustrating than when someone drops a knowledge bomb, then bows out with an "eh, I don't feel like arguing with you."


Indeed, but unless I completely misunderstand what you mean by that I don't think you've spotted the right cause for this feeling the OP got, seing HD TV for the first time (while probably being used to watch DVDs on fairly big SD TV, thus a fairly crappy/soft signal vs. a very crisp one).


Yep, I might have interpreted his complaint wrong. When I read "soap opera" I have a hard time thinking of anything but the motion issue that I've always heard called the "soap opera effect." It's definitely possible that imlad's complaint was nothing more than a quality issue, though. That just doesn't come to mind, I guess, because I've never seen anyone complain about that stuff. Most complaints strong enough to make someone prefer SD over HD have to do with motion issues, not quality issues (in my experience, anyway).
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Game of Thrones - Episode 1: Official discussion thread ironclad - 17/04/2011 11:04:49 AM 3125 Views
i'm going to start off with.... Foxhead - 17/04/2011 04:08:12 PM 1435 Views
It seems to have focused him back on aSoFaI....He has made alot of progress on aDwD almost Done!!! *NM* djwilson300 - 17/04/2011 10:58:09 PM 610 Views
HOLY CRAP Ghavrel - 18/04/2011 03:06:55 AM 1452 Views
No, but Jaime and Tyrion have a VERY strong sibling resemblance. Clover - 18/04/2011 06:29:00 AM 1110 Views
Joff's lips were just not pouty enough I thought, still I can't stand the sight of him, so good job *NM* djwilson300 - 18/04/2011 07:13:22 AM 481 Views
I couldn't stand him at first sight scalius - 19/04/2011 07:34:33 PM 947 Views
I also approve of the casting. Other impressions: Clover - 18/04/2011 06:33:44 AM 1227 Views
Dany's wedding night did not end with a smile.... djwilson300 - 18/04/2011 07:08:38 AM 1246 Views
Hmm. Clover - 18/04/2011 07:47:44 AM 1148 Views
I think you're pretty close to remembering correctly Jim - 19/04/2011 02:28:06 AM 1080 Views
Meh, I didn't really mind that scene. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:38:34 AM 948 Views
I see it differently. Clover - 19/04/2011 05:11:25 AM 1008 Views
Re: I see it differently. Aemon - 19/04/2011 02:16:42 PM 900 Views
Re: I also approve of the casting. Other impressions: everynametaken - 18/04/2011 08:09:05 AM 1100 Views
I really enjoyed it, but one thing that was distracting me... imlad - 18/04/2011 08:15:54 AM 1300 Views
So you were definitly watching it on a LCD or LED tv with 120hrtz or greater.....they are poopy djwilson300 - 18/04/2011 08:52:29 AM 1091 Views
so, will I have this problem watching the Hobbit next year? imlad - 18/04/2011 07:17:58 PM 917 Views
Hard to say. Aemon - 18/04/2011 09:44:13 PM 1082 Views
Ouch.... DomA - 18/04/2011 09:59:28 PM 1031 Views
I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:22:46 AM 1224 Views
Re: I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong. DomA - 19/04/2011 02:29:30 PM 977 Views
As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:53:34 PM 1100 Views
I've gotta butt in scalius - 19/04/2011 04:46:28 PM 949 Views
The more, the merrier. Aemon - 19/04/2011 05:26:29 PM 1103 Views
Poopy was kinda strong language. It is a matter of taste and Aemon is my new favorite. djwilson300 - 19/04/2011 06:25:15 PM 1027 Views
Re: Poopy was kinda strong language. It is a matter of taste and Aemon is my new favorite. Aemon - 19/04/2011 06:44:18 PM 996 Views
INFERIASMA! scalius - 19/04/2011 07:25:45 PM 766 Views
That's definitely the case. They're both good. *NM* Aemon - 19/04/2011 07:27:42 PM 528 Views
Gonna look into the setting tonight scalius - 19/04/2011 07:22:19 PM 1015 Views
Re: As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about. DomA - 20/04/2011 12:24:25 AM 938 Views
this whole discussion has gone way over my head imlad - 20/04/2011 12:53:06 AM 904 Views
Don't worry about it, there's no reason to know most of that stuff. Aemon - 20/04/2011 08:08:15 AM 1023 Views
Yeah, I think we were just getting confused with some terms. Aemon - 20/04/2011 08:04:47 AM 932 Views
I def agree with you about Dany's wedding night. *NM* Darth_Katie - 22/04/2011 04:45:10 AM 541 Views
One question that can be seen in the preview Japhy - 18/04/2011 06:55:16 AM 1120 Views
I wondered at this too imlad - 18/04/2011 07:26:15 PM 917 Views
Re: I wondered at this too urizen - 18/04/2011 08:21:07 PM 990 Views
Yes like predator! Don't like the noises they had it making too. Importance of colour: Japhy - 18/04/2011 11:47:17 PM 1202 Views
It appears doggy-style is the preferred method of copulation so far. *NM* everynametaken - 18/04/2011 08:11:45 AM 543 Views
the last couple we saw doing it that way imlad - 18/04/2011 08:34:33 AM 1410 Views
I could be wrong but I seem to think the book had her looking over his shoulder from missionary. *NM* everynametaken - 19/04/2011 04:29:26 AM 573 Views
Is it me Roland00 - 18/04/2011 12:48:48 PM 1131 Views
Yes, it was definitely a different scenery than the rest of Winterfell. everynametaken - 19/04/2011 04:31:00 AM 1034 Views
Yeah, she was walking through the inner yard and then arrived there ironclad - 19/04/2011 08:35:54 AM 1179 Views
A good start! Tigr - 18/04/2011 02:08:45 PM 1175 Views
you're not entirely wrong Jim - 19/04/2011 02:40:45 AM 1038 Views
It was as epic as I had hoped Beqi - 18/04/2011 09:05:28 PM 883 Views
ended right where I expected Jim - 19/04/2011 02:52:05 AM 897 Views
Well I think it was as good as it could have been. Dragonsoul - 19/04/2011 03:03:27 AM 1209 Views
Interesting that you comment on the looks, because I felt the same. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:50:49 AM 1181 Views
I agree ironclad - 19/04/2011 08:12:18 AM 978 Views
Re: I agree Aemon - 19/04/2011 02:23:18 PM 1067 Views
Demonstrating that beauty is subjective, I strongly disagree DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 23/04/2011 09:20:08 PM 1143 Views
It was certainly good, but some disappointment too A Deathwatch Guard - 19/04/2011 07:53:30 AM 1219 Views
That was very good, but... ironclad - 19/04/2011 08:17:02 AM 1121 Views
Actually, I have never read the books..... trzaska2000 - 19/04/2011 05:07:29 PM 1046 Views
Good to know *NM* ironclad - 19/04/2011 05:32:56 PM 499 Views
A friend.... scalius - 19/04/2011 07:32:05 PM 989 Views
so having watched it Foxhead - 19/04/2011 09:13:44 AM 834 Views
A couple of early impressions... scalius - 19/04/2011 07:55:04 PM 1276 Views
nah, the break out performance on this show is going to be imlad - 20/04/2011 01:00:50 AM 1039 Views
yup, I already love her character. *NM* everynametaken - 20/04/2011 03:24:46 AM 563 Views
Entirely possible scalius - 20/04/2011 04:17:28 PM 920 Views
If there is one thing I wanna see next year... ironclad - 21/04/2011 10:13:07 AM 1022 Views
I enjoyed it. I'll continue watching and maybe even give the book another go when I have time. j-whitt987 - 20/04/2011 12:58:56 AM 988 Views
as someone who has never read the books I thought it was OK random thoughts - 22/04/2011 04:59:34 PM 928 Views
My take DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 23/04/2011 06:50:47 PM 939 Views
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