Yeah, I think we were just getting confused with some terms.
Aemon Send a noteboard - 20/04/2011 08:04:47 AM
It's neither, or perhaps it's me who doesn't understand what you call the "soap opera effect". What you brought up do exist, it's a display setting that speeds up display, faking a higher frame rate and thus the eye perceive smoother movements on screen. It's all it does, and it's not what pros would refer to as "frame interpolation". It creates no new data, the way the 3:2 pulldown does in postproduction (3:2 pulldown is strictly a conversion from 24p or 25p t0 29.97 (59,94 @ 120 Khz)fps, it merely splits and rearranges the display of existing data to fake more in-between frames that don't actually exist. It works fairly well or looks shitty depending on the original footage, as it's not meant to work on all HD formats and often should be turned off.
Whatever the technical reason, people definitely think of the soap opera effect as the "too smooth" motion of certain processing effects. These effects are almost always associated with the higher hz tv modes. As far as the mode itself, though, I'm sure you're completely correct about it not being what the pros call "interpolation." I've basically just been using that term because it's what I've seen advertised. Samsung, for example, has this in their tv ad:
"Automotion Plus 120Hz image interpolation technology provides smoother motion"
It'd hardly be unusual for an ad to use the wrong term for marketing purposes though.
What I meant, though, is that this setting strictly has nothing to do with what people normally mean by finding HD is "too crisp", "too real" or that it looks like cheap telly (soap opera quality),
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People tend to associate this with "soap opera" because in SD it's cheap TV that used to be shot so bright (with bad lighting and bad make-ups) you could see how fake everything was.
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People tend to associate this with "soap opera" because in SD it's cheap TV that used to be shot so bright (with bad lighting and bad make-ups) you could see how fake everything was.
Again, I think we just have a mix-up of terms. I know what you're talking about with lighting and general quality issues that are associated with soap operas. I guess you were arguing that side of the issue, while I jumped right to the motion thing that's usually termed the "soap opera effect." I guess just because that's just what I'm used to hearing most people complain about. I very rarely hear someone say "the lighting seemed slightly off; it reminded me of a soap opera." No, I hear, "I turned on this weird mode and things got way too smooth, kind of like a soap opera."
Two sides of the same coin, I guess.
It's mostly for lack of time, and because to be honest I have little interest in TV circuitry and I would need to go read just tedious articles to see what it's all about and how it relates to the end of the process I know well.
Very understandable. Internet debates get tedious sometimes. I appreciate you coming back to it though. There's nothing more frustrating than when someone drops a knowledge bomb, then bows out with an "eh, I don't feel like arguing with you."
Indeed, but unless I completely misunderstand what you mean by that I don't think you've spotted the right cause for this feeling the OP got, seing HD TV for the first time (while probably being used to watch DVDs on fairly big SD TV, thus a fairly crappy/soft signal vs. a very crisp one).
Yep, I might have interpreted his complaint wrong. When I read "soap opera" I have a hard time thinking of anything but the motion issue that I've always heard called the "soap opera effect." It's definitely possible that imlad's complaint was nothing more than a quality issue, though. That just doesn't come to mind, I guess, because I've never seen anyone complain about that stuff. Most complaints strong enough to make someone prefer SD over HD have to do with motion issues, not quality issues (in my experience, anyway).
Game of Thrones - Episode 1: Official discussion thread
17/04/2011 11:04:49 AM
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i'm going to start off with....
17/04/2011 04:08:12 PM
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It seems to have focused him back on aSoFaI....He has made alot of progress on aDwD almost Done!!! *NM*
17/04/2011 10:58:09 PM
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HOLY CRAP
18/04/2011 03:06:55 AM
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No, but Jaime and Tyrion have a VERY strong sibling resemblance.
18/04/2011 06:29:00 AM
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Joff's lips were just not pouty enough I thought, still I can't stand the sight of him, so good job *NM*
18/04/2011 07:13:22 AM
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I also approve of the casting. Other impressions:
18/04/2011 06:33:44 AM
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Dany's wedding night did not end with a smile....
18/04/2011 07:08:38 AM
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Hmm.
18/04/2011 07:47:44 AM
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I think you're pretty close to remembering correctly
19/04/2011 02:28:06 AM
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Meh, I didn't really mind that scene.
19/04/2011 03:38:34 AM
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I really enjoyed it, but one thing that was distracting me...
18/04/2011 08:15:54 AM
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So you were definitly watching it on a LCD or LED tv with 120hrtz or greater.....they are poopy
18/04/2011 08:52:29 AM
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Ouch....
18/04/2011 09:59:28 PM
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I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong.
19/04/2011 03:22:46 AM
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Re: I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong.
19/04/2011 02:29:30 PM
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As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about.
19/04/2011 03:53:34 PM
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I've gotta butt in
19/04/2011 04:46:28 PM
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The more, the merrier.
19/04/2011 05:26:29 PM
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Poopy was kinda strong language. It is a matter of taste and Aemon is my new favorite.
19/04/2011 06:25:15 PM
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Re: Poopy was kinda strong language. It is a matter of taste and Aemon is my new favorite.
19/04/2011 06:44:18 PM
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Re: As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about.
20/04/2011 12:24:25 AM
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this whole discussion has gone way over my head
20/04/2011 12:53:06 AM
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Don't worry about it, there's no reason to know most of that stuff.
20/04/2011 08:08:15 AM
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Yeah, I think we were just getting confused with some terms.
20/04/2011 08:04:47 AM
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One question that can be seen in the preview
18/04/2011 06:55:16 AM
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I wondered at this too
18/04/2011 07:26:15 PM
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Re: I wondered at this too
18/04/2011 08:21:07 PM
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Yes like predator! Don't like the noises they had it making too. Importance of colour:
18/04/2011 11:47:17 PM
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It appears doggy-style is the preferred method of copulation so far. *NM*
18/04/2011 08:11:45 AM
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the last couple we saw doing it that way
18/04/2011 08:34:33 AM
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I could be wrong but I seem to think the book had her looking over his shoulder from missionary. *NM*
19/04/2011 04:29:26 AM
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Is it me
18/04/2011 12:48:48 PM
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Yes, it was definitely a different scenery than the rest of Winterfell.
19/04/2011 04:31:00 AM
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Yeah, she was walking through the inner yard and then arrived there
19/04/2011 08:35:54 AM
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Well I think it was as good as it could have been.
19/04/2011 03:03:27 AM
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Interesting that you comment on the looks, because I felt the same.
19/04/2011 03:50:49 AM
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That was very good, but...
19/04/2011 08:17:02 AM
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A couple of early impressions...
19/04/2011 07:55:04 PM
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nah, the break out performance on this show is going to be
20/04/2011 01:00:50 AM
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I enjoyed it. I'll continue watching and maybe even give the book another go when I have time.
20/04/2011 12:58:56 AM
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