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Gonna look into the setting tonight scalius Send a noteboard - 19/04/2011 07:22:19 PM
Get on the phone with friend, adjust settings, see what happens. Figure out where we are both at for Truevision (LG's motion tech) settings, etc. I'll report back later.

From everything I've read, these are two different issues. If I understand DomA correctly, he seems to be saying that isn't so. I don't believe he's right on that, but he does seem to be something of an expert, so you can decide who to believe. I tried to provide at least one link to back up what I was saying, but the site I linked to was hardly the authority on such matters, so. . .*shrugs* In any case, I'll explain the issue as I understand it.


I'm not sure what to think, because I've read articles which appear to consider them as one and the same, while others appear to make a distinction. Of course, some info is from 2008, and other info from 2010. It's a bit frustrating just from a geeky, technical aspect.

1) Soap Opera Effect: everything looks "too smooth." This is caused by the TV's circuitry algorithmically creating intermediate frames, instead of displaying the same frame many times in a row.

2) Judder: This is caused by a tv running at a frame rate that is not a multiple of the source input. Typically, you will find this when watching 24fps input (most blu-rays) on a 60hz tv (most low-end televisions). The following link will explain the technical side of the problem better than I can: <a href="http://wesleytech.com/1080p-24p-blu-ray-judder-explained/392/">link</a>.

To prevent judder when watching 24p source material, you need a tv capable of refreshing at a multiple of 24. This is common for LCDs, which often have 120 or 240hz modes. These tvs generally have a "cinema" mode (again, it's called a lot of different things) that sets the tv to use its higher refresh rate, WITHOUT using the automotion processing that causes the SOA. In other words, it displays one frame five times, followed by the next at five times, etc. Rather than displaying one frame, then displaying four algorithmically generated intermediate frames, then the next "real" frame, etc.

LCD HDTVs have a great picture, no doubt about that. The soap opera effect of automotion processing bothers some people, but other people love it. For those who don't, just turning it off should work fine. I have no idea what your tv is set to use, but I'd say you either don't have a lot of processing enabled, or else you've learned to like the SOA. Either one is perfectly fine, and I'm sure you've got a great tv.


In the end, all I know are a few general things: the SOA effect doesn't bother me. I'm used to it I think, though again I don't notice it on my set as much as I do on my friends. That's probably settings, which as noted above I'll look into later; I love the quality, and others do as well. However not everything is equal, and some signals are excellent, while others have blur or lesser quality. Some sports are excellent (hockey/golf) while others are good but show blurr with fast motion (basketball mostly, but also football). I have no idea the cause, whether it be on the broadcasters end, the cable end, or my end; standard DVD's look significantly better, and display some SOA which I like. Blu-rays are incredible, though there is "good" and "bad" discs, not all are equal. Which seems kind of odd to me, but whatever. Source material quality maybe? Conversion quality maybe from film to digital?
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Game of Thrones - Episode 1: Official discussion thread ironclad - 17/04/2011 11:04:49 AM 3099 Views
i'm going to start off with.... Foxhead - 17/04/2011 04:08:12 PM 1408 Views
It seems to have focused him back on aSoFaI....He has made alot of progress on aDwD almost Done!!! *NM* djwilson300 - 17/04/2011 10:58:09 PM 597 Views
HOLY CRAP Ghavrel - 18/04/2011 03:06:55 AM 1419 Views
No, but Jaime and Tyrion have a VERY strong sibling resemblance. Clover - 18/04/2011 06:29:00 AM 1078 Views
Joff's lips were just not pouty enough I thought, still I can't stand the sight of him, so good job *NM* djwilson300 - 18/04/2011 07:13:22 AM 465 Views
I couldn't stand him at first sight scalius - 19/04/2011 07:34:33 PM 935 Views
I also approve of the casting. Other impressions: Clover - 18/04/2011 06:33:44 AM 1196 Views
Dany's wedding night did not end with a smile.... djwilson300 - 18/04/2011 07:08:38 AM 1218 Views
Hmm. Clover - 18/04/2011 07:47:44 AM 1115 Views
I think you're pretty close to remembering correctly Jim - 19/04/2011 02:28:06 AM 1069 Views
Meh, I didn't really mind that scene. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:38:34 AM 922 Views
I see it differently. Clover - 19/04/2011 05:11:25 AM 978 Views
Re: I see it differently. Aemon - 19/04/2011 02:16:42 PM 884 Views
Re: I also approve of the casting. Other impressions: everynametaken - 18/04/2011 08:09:05 AM 1073 Views
I really enjoyed it, but one thing that was distracting me... imlad - 18/04/2011 08:15:54 AM 1270 Views
So you were definitly watching it on a LCD or LED tv with 120hrtz or greater.....they are poopy djwilson300 - 18/04/2011 08:52:29 AM 1064 Views
so, will I have this problem watching the Hobbit next year? imlad - 18/04/2011 07:17:58 PM 890 Views
Hard to say. Aemon - 18/04/2011 09:44:13 PM 1048 Views
Ouch.... DomA - 18/04/2011 09:59:28 PM 1000 Views
I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:22:46 AM 1191 Views
Re: I'm not an expert by any means, but I think you have that wrong. DomA - 19/04/2011 02:29:30 PM 947 Views
As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:53:34 PM 1072 Views
I've gotta butt in scalius - 19/04/2011 04:46:28 PM 918 Views
The more, the merrier. Aemon - 19/04/2011 05:26:29 PM 1066 Views
Poopy was kinda strong language. It is a matter of taste and Aemon is my new favorite. djwilson300 - 19/04/2011 06:25:15 PM 995 Views
Re: Poopy was kinda strong language. It is a matter of taste and Aemon is my new favorite. Aemon - 19/04/2011 06:44:18 PM 968 Views
INFERIASMA! scalius - 19/04/2011 07:25:45 PM 734 Views
That's definitely the case. They're both good. *NM* Aemon - 19/04/2011 07:27:42 PM 513 Views
Gonna look into the setting tonight scalius - 19/04/2011 07:22:19 PM 985 Views
Re: As I said, you sound like you know what you're talking about. DomA - 20/04/2011 12:24:25 AM 911 Views
this whole discussion has gone way over my head imlad - 20/04/2011 12:53:06 AM 873 Views
Don't worry about it, there's no reason to know most of that stuff. Aemon - 20/04/2011 08:08:15 AM 989 Views
Yeah, I think we were just getting confused with some terms. Aemon - 20/04/2011 08:04:47 AM 906 Views
I def agree with you about Dany's wedding night. *NM* Darth_Katie - 22/04/2011 04:45:10 AM 529 Views
One question that can be seen in the preview Japhy - 18/04/2011 06:55:16 AM 1089 Views
I wondered at this too imlad - 18/04/2011 07:26:15 PM 906 Views
Re: I wondered at this too urizen - 18/04/2011 08:21:07 PM 958 Views
Yes like predator! Don't like the noises they had it making too. Importance of colour: Japhy - 18/04/2011 11:47:17 PM 1175 Views
It appears doggy-style is the preferred method of copulation so far. *NM* everynametaken - 18/04/2011 08:11:45 AM 527 Views
the last couple we saw doing it that way imlad - 18/04/2011 08:34:33 AM 1397 Views
I could be wrong but I seem to think the book had her looking over his shoulder from missionary. *NM* everynametaken - 19/04/2011 04:29:26 AM 563 Views
Is it me Roland00 - 18/04/2011 12:48:48 PM 1103 Views
Yes, it was definitely a different scenery than the rest of Winterfell. everynametaken - 19/04/2011 04:31:00 AM 1002 Views
Yeah, she was walking through the inner yard and then arrived there ironclad - 19/04/2011 08:35:54 AM 1148 Views
A good start! Tigr - 18/04/2011 02:08:45 PM 1141 Views
you're not entirely wrong Jim - 19/04/2011 02:40:45 AM 1010 Views
It was as epic as I had hoped Beqi - 18/04/2011 09:05:28 PM 847 Views
ended right where I expected Jim - 19/04/2011 02:52:05 AM 869 Views
Well I think it was as good as it could have been. Dragonsoul - 19/04/2011 03:03:27 AM 1183 Views
Interesting that you comment on the looks, because I felt the same. Aemon - 19/04/2011 03:50:49 AM 1152 Views
I agree ironclad - 19/04/2011 08:12:18 AM 952 Views
Re: I agree Aemon - 19/04/2011 02:23:18 PM 1034 Views
Demonstrating that beauty is subjective, I strongly disagree DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 23/04/2011 09:20:08 PM 1115 Views
It was certainly good, but some disappointment too A Deathwatch Guard - 19/04/2011 07:53:30 AM 1186 Views
That was very good, but... ironclad - 19/04/2011 08:17:02 AM 1094 Views
Actually, I have never read the books..... trzaska2000 - 19/04/2011 05:07:29 PM 1018 Views
Good to know *NM* ironclad - 19/04/2011 05:32:56 PM 487 Views
A friend.... scalius - 19/04/2011 07:32:05 PM 958 Views
so having watched it Foxhead - 19/04/2011 09:13:44 AM 802 Views
A couple of early impressions... scalius - 19/04/2011 07:55:04 PM 1243 Views
nah, the break out performance on this show is going to be imlad - 20/04/2011 01:00:50 AM 1006 Views
yup, I already love her character. *NM* everynametaken - 20/04/2011 03:24:46 AM 549 Views
Entirely possible scalius - 20/04/2011 04:17:28 PM 889 Views
If there is one thing I wanna see next year... ironclad - 21/04/2011 10:13:07 AM 984 Views
I enjoyed it. I'll continue watching and maybe even give the book another go when I have time. j-whitt987 - 20/04/2011 12:58:56 AM 955 Views
as someone who has never read the books I thought it was OK random thoughts - 22/04/2011 04:59:34 PM 899 Views
My take DrJacJacMcScrumptious - 23/04/2011 06:50:47 PM 906 Views
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