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Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla Send a noteboard - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM
Could it be that the jacket Doctor will save "our" Doctor in some way? Can the theory still be salvaged?

Sure - it would explain who has been messing with the Tardis all series.


Hmm. Yes. But isn't the jacket Doctor precisely the Doctor without the TARDIS?

No, Rory was a Nestene Auton, as were the rest of the Romans. We saw Amy shot - not the same as dead, perhaps... and it is worth bearing in mind for everything seen in this episode that a theme for this series that what is seen is rarely the reality.


I like how Moffat put Autons so centrally. I watched a Confidential episode once where he and Tennant were geeking out about the Autons and how terrified they had been to go to shopping centres afterwards.

As for the seeing/not seeing thing. My best friend discussed this in a letter she sent me just a few days ago (oh, yes. We discuss Doctor Who in letters), and she pointed out how ubiquitous this theme of seeing/not seeing is in this series. I think the examples she gave were the angels (moving when you cannot see them), Vincent and the not only invisible but also blind monster, the perception filters and of course how the Doctor keeps missing things.

I liked the Rory bit - it was too obvious it was him when it showed the Woman soldier volunteering.


Woman? Surely you mean Roman? :P
And I did not guess that it was Rory. I had written him off as dead until such time as Amy remembered him, which hadn't happened yet. He wasn't even on my radar. I thought it might be the other Doctor, or possibly someone else, but not Rory.

I didn't think it had actually exploded yet, just that it was on the verge of doing so. I presume that River Song still had her time travel device so was about to leap away... which leaves time for Doctor Mk 2 (assuming there is one) to unrig it and toddle off.

Quite a few things were thrown out there in this episode - Amy Pond is at the centre of a lot. Why did the Tardis go to her home? Why is it all seeming centred around her wedding, even though Rory is seemingly written from time? The Doctor also made an interesting comment about her house - something about it having too many rooms for the size of it. Strange girl from a strange house where nothing is what it first seems.


Indeed. I am terribly curious about what is going on.

The Doctor also seems to know he is skipping over important things, because he actually said so when he talked about the Amy centred strangeness.


Indeed.

The Tardis is an interesting one as well - the Baddies think they have got the Doctor worked out and trapped him. They also think the Doctor is the only person who can fly the Tardis - either they are right and River Song merely thought she was (Doctor Mk 2 made it look like she was) or they're just showing they don't know him and what abilities he has/ hasn't half as well as they think.


Well, we know from Old Who that companions can fly the TARDIS, I think? No, wait. I think possibly it was controlled by the Master when they did. But still, not the Doctor. I am in the "Baddies are Stupid" camp for now.

Over all though, I think it all goes back to Amy Pond and her mind... and the Doctor knows more than he is letting on - I wonder if his duck pond comment was a reference to the change from Amelia to Amy. She might now be Amy (after having grown up in a very dubious house with an absent aunt), like the duck pond is now just a pond, but she is still Amelia Pond to the Doctor, like the pond is a duck pond to the locals.


Now that is an interesting theory. I like it. What are the implications of that, though?
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/Doctor Who: "The Pandorica Opens" *spoilers* Camilla - 19/06/2010 09:24:45 PM 2673 Views
The only thing jumping to mind at the moment... Liam - 19/06/2010 09:38:44 PM 1322 Views
Oh and... Liam - 19/06/2010 11:41:17 PM 1315 Views
Nice! Camilla - 20/06/2010 07:57:03 AM 1240 Views
True... Liam - 20/06/2010 09:57:08 AM 1262 Views
Re: True... Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:59:09 AM 1282 Views
I am fairly sure... Michael - 22/06/2010 09:10:35 AM 1200 Views
Re: I am fairly sure... Camilla - 22/06/2010 09:16:18 AM 1536 Views
that was.... interesting. *NM* jh - 19/06/2010 10:29:13 PM 839 Views
Wow. Nate - 20/06/2010 12:16:16 AM 1234 Views
A note on his speech. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/06/2010 02:04:42 AM 1195 Views
Indeed Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:57:13 AM 1305 Views
I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:03:40 AM 1249 Views
Re: I can't believe we have to wait an entire week to find out what happens! Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:15:05 AM 1283 Views
Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:14:52 AM 1401 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:31:54 AM 1318 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:13:42 PM 1344 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:32:49 PM 1192 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:39:46 PM 1336 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:48:48 PM 1391 Views
Re: Rose Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:43:57 PM 1289 Views
Re: Rose Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:46:05 PM 1329 Views
You had better watch it all again. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:52:01 PM 1230 Views
So true. Camilla - 20/06/2010 03:53:32 PM 1338 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:03:43 PM 1343 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:09:44 PM 1288 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 05:52:31 PM 1347 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 06:12:46 PM 1175 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:50:47 PM 1290 Views
Re: Quite a crowded episode. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:52:44 PM 1307 Views
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snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:01:29 AM 1327 Views
The Silence ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:26:02 AM 1277 Views
Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 01:40:55 AM 1302 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 01:54:30 AM 1216 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:46:58 PM 1315 Views
Re: Yeah, but what's the significance of that? ATimp - 20/06/2010 02:01:49 AM 1309 Views
Yeah, but it's a commonly used metaphor. Darth_Katie - 20/06/2010 03:50:33 PM 1283 Views
Plus of course the whole "Silence will fall" shebang from Prisoner Zero. *NM* Liam - 21/06/2010 10:00:10 PM 834 Views
Could Prisoner Zero be the big bad? Camilla - 23/06/2010 02:10:38 PM 1214 Views
Also. Nate - 20/06/2010 07:46:05 AM 1298 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 09:33:34 AM 1293 Views
Re: Also. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:46:15 PM 1311 Views
Re: Also. Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:49:34 PM 1373 Views
I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 02:52:48 PM 1197 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 02:58:46 PM 1384 Views
Re: I did at the time snoopcester - 20/06/2010 04:04:37 PM 1285 Views
Re: I did at the time Camilla - 20/06/2010 04:10:35 PM 1379 Views
I think she had the best story arc of them all though. MikeyMikeyMikey - 20/06/2010 05:27:25 PM 1214 Views
She did... the person playing her was the problem. snoopcester - 20/06/2010 06:12:20 PM 1271 Views
Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:02:27 AM 1169 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Liam - 20/06/2010 10:26:34 AM 1234 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:27 AM 1175 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:16:44 PM 1241 Views
Re: Oooh. Potentially interesting thing from Confidential Camilla - 20/06/2010 01:28:35 PM 1171 Views
The Greeks were nuts snoopcester - 20/06/2010 01:32:40 PM 1144 Views
*minor spoiler for next season* Mark - 20/06/2010 08:05:23 PM 1284 Views
Re: *minor spoiler for next season* Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:08:05 PM 1187 Views
I know, me too Mark - 20/06/2010 08:11:46 PM 1182 Views
Re: I know, me too Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:13:05 PM 1187 Views
I feel that there is another party to all this Mark - 20/06/2010 08:10:15 PM 1030 Views
Re: I feel that there is another party to all this Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:14:18 PM 1168 Views
The voice in the TARDIS is the key Mark - 20/06/2010 08:18:01 PM 1270 Views
Re: The voice in the TARDIS is the key Camilla - 20/06/2010 08:19:32 PM 1386 Views
I have been wondering about that snoopcester - 20/06/2010 10:48:30 PM 1271 Views
I've just discovered that iPlayer has the whole of this series available. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:05:55 PM 1297 Views
Yes, they are devious Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:07:35 PM 1183 Views
I can still see them both. Liam - 20/06/2010 10:24:08 PM 1253 Views
Re: I can still see them both. Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:29:05 PM 1151 Views
Who can blame them? Liam - 20/06/2010 10:31:38 PM 1216 Views
Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:34:26 PM 1139 Views
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Camilla - 20/06/2010 10:44:01 PM 1144 Views
I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Nate - 20/06/2010 11:08:13 PM 1214 Views
Nutter Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:20:44 PM 1365 Views
Here you go, about the house. Nate - 20/06/2010 11:28:33 PM 1206 Views
It's not paranoia when they are really after you. Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:32:40 PM 1233 Views
Larger. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:36:31 PM 1339 Views
You think Shada, I think... Liam - 20/06/2010 11:31:13 PM 1447 Views
What book? Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:34:23 PM 1215 Views
It's kind of a big spoiler. Liam - 20/06/2010 11:37:42 PM 1112 Views
Hmm Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:39:02 PM 1264 Views
Yes. *NM* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:40:15 PM 885 Views
*spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:41:23 PM 1156 Views
Re: *spoilers* Liam - 20/06/2010 11:43:18 PM 1291 Views
Re: *spoilers* Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:44:33 PM 1275 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Liam - 20/06/2010 11:28:39 PM 1156 Views
Re: I can't stop thinking there's still more to Amy. (Crazy speculation within.) Camilla - 20/06/2010 11:33:43 PM 1162 Views
Indeed. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:21:12 AM 1239 Views
Re: Indeed. Camilla - 22/06/2010 10:23:00 AM 1250 Views
Re: the accent. Michael - 22/06/2010 10:05:35 AM 1262 Views
Oh, I know. I have Scottish neighbours. The kids have never even live in Scotland but have accents. *NM* Liam - 22/06/2010 12:48:47 PM 825 Views
More on that snoopcester - 22/06/2010 04:10:50 PM 1176 Views
Doesn't everyone think that? snoopcester - 21/06/2010 12:10:00 AM 1207 Views
Re: Doesn't everyone think that? Camilla - 21/06/2010 11:06:35 AM 1211 Views
Elaborating on your crazy speculation... soilent brad - 22/06/2010 10:14:14 PM 1212 Views
Re: Elaborating on your crazy speculation... Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:48:00 PM 1171 Views
Was "elaborating" the wrong word to use there? soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:00:09 AM 1205 Views
Nah Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:02:30 AM 1387 Views
Good soilent brad - 23/06/2010 12:07:27 AM 1286 Views
I have to ask... Wibble - 21/06/2010 11:31:15 AM 1210 Views
You have no idea what you are talking about, snoopcester - 21/06/2010 11:53:19 AM 1173 Views
Short answer: Camilla - 21/06/2010 03:36:31 PM 1138 Views
The real mystery of this to me is... Michael - 22/06/2010 10:41:02 AM 1186 Views
Re: The real mystery of this to me is... Camilla - 22/06/2010 04:04:32 PM 1195 Views
If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 22/06/2010 11:43:34 PM 1167 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 22/06/2010 11:46:57 PM 1251 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:02:24 AM 1146 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:04:28 AM 1249 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Nate - 23/06/2010 12:40:38 AM 1264 Views
Re: If Amy Pond is a trap. Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:42:05 AM 1254 Views
Epiphany Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:11:09 AM 1305 Views
That's what I assumed. Darth_Katie - 23/06/2010 03:05:54 AM 1176 Views
Re: That's what I assumed. Camilla - 23/06/2010 10:21:18 AM 1149 Views
That is what I assumed it to be Mark - 23/06/2010 08:22:13 AM 1054 Views
That's what I thought. The beginning of the Silence. *NM* MikeyMikeyMikey - 23/06/2010 09:26:03 PM 808 Views
I assumed it was the ships "jumping" away, job done. *NM* snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:13:18 AM 835 Views
Since I don't agree with Camilla's logic snoopcester - 23/06/2010 12:17:55 AM 1215 Views
Have you been drinking again? Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:37:45 AM 1251 Views
What REALLY annoys me about the episode Camilla - 23/06/2010 12:08:25 AM 1222 Views
I was bothered by the Cyberman soilent brad - 24/06/2010 09:00:37 AM 1231 Views
True Camilla - 24/06/2010 09:48:22 AM 1229 Views
I don't recall the exact... Liam - 25/06/2010 12:04:42 PM 1307 Views
Perhaps soilent brad - 25/06/2010 04:07:29 PM 1164 Views
Apparently "someone very important is coming back". Liam - 25/06/2010 11:58:26 AM 1198 Views
Amelia Pond, perchance? Camilla - 25/06/2010 03:03:15 PM 1191 Views
I suppose that it must have been. Liam - 27/06/2010 11:46:58 PM 1309 Views
Another point I only just thought of. Michael - 26/06/2010 01:21:49 PM 1179 Views
In fact, that makes a horrible sort of sense. Michael - 26/06/2010 02:12:38 PM 1329 Views
Didn't the new Daleks travel back to "their own time", which implies time travel. Liam - 26/06/2010 03:00:10 PM 1396 Views
I think ... Nate - 26/06/2010 03:40:31 PM 1213 Views
Oh, I know, but... Liam - 27/06/2010 11:45:18 PM 1161 Views
I think I read somewhere that the Dream Lord won't be coming back. Darth_Katie - 26/06/2010 03:45:01 PM 1126 Views
mno Camilla - 26/06/2010 06:05:11 PM 1192 Views
Something that bothers me about that... soilent brad - 26/06/2010 08:30:27 PM 1127 Views
I'm guessing... Michael - 27/06/2010 01:45:09 PM 1166 Views
Re: Something that bothers me about that... Camilla - 27/06/2010 09:29:40 PM 1186 Views
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