We don't know that we have a Doc, we don't know that he would protect Talic, we don't know that the Darkfriends would assume that Talic was protected and therefore not attack him, and we don't know that Talic is even a Lightsider.
And essentially, you can jump this up another notch if you think's it's such an obvious assumption to make and say that the Doc would assume that the Darkfriends would assume that Talic was protected by the Doc and therefore protect someone else, assuming that the Darkfriends would therefore not target Talic. The Darkfriends could also assume that the Doc would assume that they would not target Talic, because they would assume that the Doc would assume that they would assume that Talic was protected by the Doc, and therefore protect someone else, leaving Talic unprotected and easily knocked out.
I prefer to base my suspicions on facts rather than assumptions at what other people are assuming. Talic is prime night kill material, and was not night killed, and that is suspicious.
And essentially, you can jump this up another notch if you think's it's such an obvious assumption to make and say that the Doc would assume that the Darkfriends would assume that Talic was protected by the Doc and therefore protect someone else, assuming that the Darkfriends would therefore not target Talic. The Darkfriends could also assume that the Doc would assume that they would not target Talic, because they would assume that the Doc would assume that they would assume that Talic was protected by the Doc, and therefore protect someone else, leaving Talic unprotected and easily knocked out.
I prefer to base my suspicions on facts rather than assumptions at what other people are assuming. Talic is prime night kill material, and was not night killed, and that is suspicious.
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Game 16, Day 2: In the Manor of Mad Muad (Ended)
09/04/2010 06:59:52 PM
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Inactivity Tracker - VNTL: 7
09/04/2010 08:10:05 PM
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Artsapat - RBIRL. Sorry: need to finish work before my week long holiday *NM*
09/04/2010 08:25:47 PM
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Darth_Katie: Semi-RBIRL *NM*
11/04/2010 03:36:00 AM
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Wait... what?
09/04/2010 11:36:10 PM
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OK, I think I see.
09/04/2010 11:40:28 PM
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Re: OK, I think I see.
10/04/2010 12:12:47 AM
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Sounds good. With that said...
10/04/2010 01:47:17 AM
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Hm. So, FT- did you do anything to inform us that you were the cop?
10/04/2010 01:52:23 AM
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Wow...
10/04/2010 01:54:05 AM
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Re: Wow...
10/04/2010 03:03:21 AM
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Why were those two killed?
10/04/2010 03:12:49 AM
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It's pretty obvious why Hobo was killed after Blaine was found to be a Mason.
10/04/2010 03:51:17 AM
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Re: It's pretty obvious why Hobo was killed after Blaine was found to be a Mason.
10/04/2010 04:20:37 AM
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Well, he was revealed to be a Whitecloak, with a tacked-on ability
10/04/2010 04:29:34 AM
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Re: Well, he was revealed to be a Whitecloak, with a tacked-on ability
10/04/2010 05:15:45 AM
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Re: Well, he was revealed to be a Whitecloak, with a tacked-on ability
10/04/2010 05:23:51 AM
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Re: Well, he was revealed to be a Whitecloak, with a tacked-on ability
10/04/2010 05:27:49 AM
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Re: Well, he was revealed to be a Whitecloak, with a tacked-on ability
10/04/2010 05:44:59 AM
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Careful, that's been Beetnemesis' strategy the past few games. Doesn't work so well *NM*
10/04/2010 07:14:55 PM
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Explain? *NM*
11/04/2010 01:01:59 AM
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He got the entire town against him by digging himself a deeper and deeper hole.
11/04/2010 01:40:46 AM
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Two main venues of inquiry:
10/04/2010 05:12:46 AM
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I'm curious if he is really worth keeping around
10/04/2010 05:34:50 AM
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I certainly oppose a roleclaim at this point...
10/04/2010 05:42:55 AM
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Yes, but
10/04/2010 05:56:32 AM
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Meh, I'd expect him to tell us if we were wrong...
10/04/2010 06:09:13 AM
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Flavor in Hobo's death scene.
10/04/2010 08:13:03 AM
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first off
10/04/2010 11:25:23 AM
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Re: first off
10/04/2010 11:59:27 AM
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one possiblity
10/04/2010 03:36:06 PM
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The Janitor role prevents us from finding out the victims role and affiliation though.
10/04/2010 07:20:16 PM
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hmmmn
10/04/2010 10:29:14 PM
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Let's try to find out reasons why the body was hidden
11/04/2010 06:53:23 PM
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People know balefire
10/04/2010 05:49:19 PM
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I think she learned it from Adaleas and/or Vandene, but I'm not really sure of that *NM*
10/04/2010 11:11:57 PM
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Also, twilight and dawn scenes
10/04/2010 08:27:55 AM
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You got twilight AND dawn? Fancy.
10/04/2010 06:01:44 PM
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Could be his clothes in his wardrobe that were left behind, not the ones he was wearing. *NM*
10/04/2010 07:21:54 PM
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Oh. Duh. It says his possessions, not a heap of clothes on the floor
10/04/2010 08:05:14 PM
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I'm guessing it had to do with me being the hammer vote on Blaine.
11/04/2010 12:44:09 AM
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I think we should hypocop, in any case
10/04/2010 08:14:52 PM
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I really think this is completely unnecessary.
10/04/2010 09:20:46 PM
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FT doesn't know the results of the investigation- the deputy may
10/04/2010 11:30:26 PM
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Re: FT doesn't know the results of the investigation- the deputy may
11/04/2010 01:44:01 AM
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I agree, our Cop is dead and F-T kept a journal, which revealed no new investigation. *NM*
11/04/2010 12:32:21 AM
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How could this possibly do us harm?
11/04/2010 05:18:55 PM
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All I'm saying is the possibilty is there. *NM*
11/04/2010 06:56:20 PM
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Hypocop table- Night One [Table]
10/04/2010 08:19:21 PM
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I found Napoleon62 to be guilty *NM*
11/04/2010 07:04:13 PM
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Isaac: quick clarification.
11/04/2010 07:15:58 PM
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Is he a man or woman?
12/04/2010 01:24:37 AM
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His character is a red haired Saldean noblewoman, who likes to wear green. *NM*
12/04/2010 01:33:29 AM
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Ooah this ended up in the wrong place. I meant White Flame, but that question's been answered. *NM*
12/04/2010 01:40:33 AM
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Chair Vote: ranagrande
10/04/2010 11:14:56 PM
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Re: Chair Vote: ranagrande
10/04/2010 11:31:07 PM
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I think it's because no one really has a feel for the roles, yet Advocate Vote: beetnemesis
10/04/2010 11:38:56 PM
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Where are all the people who used the "it's Day 1" excuse to not talk yesterday?
11/04/2010 12:52:27 AM
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Re: Where are all the people who used the "it's Day 1" excuse to not talk yesterday?
11/04/2010 01:59:01 AM
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Psst: Bergoiyn's a dude. *NM*
11/04/2010 04:11:38 AM
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My bad *NM*
11/04/2010 06:31:22 PM
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Was this just a mix up, or didn't you know? *NM*
11/04/2010 08:45:11 PM
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I think it was just a mixup. Not really sure what I was thinking. *NM*
11/04/2010 09:47:51 PM
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Re: Where are all the people who used the "it's Day 1" excuse to not talk yesterday?
11/04/2010 06:15:37 AM
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Actually I did post RBIRL at the very end of Day 1. And it came that late because
11/04/2010 10:21:54 AM
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ahhh noobs
11/04/2010 02:14:26 AM
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Re: ahhh noobs
12/04/2010 02:51:33 PM
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I didn't use "Day 1 excuse". I've been sick, and really haven't got the energy to do anything.
11/04/2010 10:16:10 AM
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Hmm.
11/04/2010 12:53:43 AM
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And I thought you'd try to make another bid for the Chair, being "new" and all. *NM*
11/04/2010 05:23:26 PM
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So, any suspicions?
11/04/2010 03:15:53 PM
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EBWOP - It's supposed to read "who people have suspicions about and why." *NM*
11/04/2010 03:17:33 PM
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Let's rip out mine
11/04/2010 07:18:38 PM
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Yesterday you said you trusted White Flame
11/04/2010 07:31:20 PM
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As I mentioned above, I'm suspicious of Fox
11/04/2010 10:54:48 PM
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Advocate Vote: beetnemesis | Chair Vote: Gher *NM*
11/04/2010 05:26:39 PM
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Best thing to go off of now, I suppose.
11/04/2010 09:50:08 PM
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I still don't want beet having power. But Chair Vote: Gher is acceptable. *NM*
11/04/2010 11:26:46 PM
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Maybe I wasn't paying attention ...
12/04/2010 01:32:51 AM
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Sheer animal magnetism
12/04/2010 08:21:14 AM
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110 new posts later....
12/04/2010 12:49:51 AM
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Re: 110 new posts later....
12/04/2010 01:49:46 AM
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This last bit is honestly the part that might convince me
12/04/2010 08:17:55 AM
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Oh! And the hypocopping thing! I don't know what was up with that.
12/04/2010 08:20:22 AM
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That's the one that bugs me the most.
12/04/2010 04:06:31 PM
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Wait, are you suspicious of Fox or not?
13/04/2010 12:35:07 AM
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Yes, I am.
13/04/2010 01:41:00 AM
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Re: Yes, I am.
13/04/2010 05:29:27 AM
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A quick argument for why there's likely still some type of cop
13/04/2010 08:01:24 AM
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Re: A quick argument for why there's likely still some type of cop
13/04/2010 09:39:31 AM
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I disagree with the "F-T hid it" theory.
13/04/2010 09:53:46 AM
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My point was, storywise, we wouldn't KNOW if the darkfriends were killed
14/04/2010 04:12:49 AM
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We can agree on all of your points, but it only argues in favor of Fox's reasoning. *NM*
13/04/2010 09:48:39 AM
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Re: Yes, I am.
13/04/2010 07:35:54 AM
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Here's the deal with hypocopping:
13/04/2010 07:54:36 AM
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Re: Oh! And the hypocopping thing! I don't know what was up with that.
12/04/2010 04:08:10 PM
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Re: 110 new posts later....
12/04/2010 06:51:14 AM
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So, any other avenues of investigation that we need to attack?
13/04/2010 03:37:39 PM
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Okay I need 2 Random numbers between 1-15 please - got 3 and 13, thanks
13/04/2010 06:45:43 PM
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Event: Lunch Interlude
13/04/2010 10:00:19 PM
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You see that? Black and Red.
13/04/2010 11:12:07 PM
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Taimens? *NM*
13/04/2010 11:26:01 PM
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I was going to point that out yesterday
14/04/2010 12:16:46 AM
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So... there's that
13/04/2010 11:39:23 PM
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Origin Chart (Table)
14/04/2010 05:05:14 PM
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So... does anyone have any bursts of insight?
15/04/2010 04:21:20 AM
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Yes, vote fistofpainx. He's a DF. *NM*
15/04/2010 07:04:36 AM
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Actually, I'm starting to agree with this.
15/04/2010 07:38:43 AM
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Personally...
15/04/2010 08:32:15 PM
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Yeah fist is (and has been) very quiet. Hey! Wake up!
15/04/2010 11:24:29 PM
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*Prods Players*
16/04/2010 08:23:01 AM
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This is where I'd vote for fistofpainx...
16/04/2010 06:47:57 PM
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Nah, he doesn't need to roleclaim yet
17/04/2010 12:20:12 AM
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Not right away, no.
17/04/2010 01:04:43 AM
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Er...
18/04/2010 01:56:29 AM
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meh I don't have any feelings *NM*
18/04/2010 02:25:03 AM
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I agree
18/04/2010 03:29:30 AM
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Talic was suspicious because he was cagey about his origin
18/04/2010 08:28:34 AM
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No, not really...
18/04/2010 06:23:42 PM
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I don't find that suspicious at all
18/04/2010 07:11:01 PM
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You make a lot of assumptions.
18/04/2010 09:00:11 PM
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Re: You make a lot of assumptions.
18/04/2010 09:44:22 PM
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But which assumption is more likely?
19/04/2010 12:55:28 AM
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But the assumptions are all (or mostly) completely rational. *NM*
19/04/2010 02:12:28 AM
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Fox is the only one I'm really suspicious of so far
18/04/2010 07:31:09 AM
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OK, so here are my (new) candidates)
18/04/2010 08:48:22 AM
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At this point, it's almost painfully obvious that fistofpainx is a DF. *NM*
18/04/2010 08:10:06 PM
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Oh, btw, even though Isaac hasn't updated yet, you're still voting for fistofpainx *NM*
18/04/2010 08:12:25 PM
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I don't know who to kill Today.
19/04/2010 05:14:19 PM
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F-T makes good points about Talic.
19/04/2010 09:38:38 PM
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we are gonna have to do something guys
19/04/2010 10:24:30 PM
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Someone bring me solid evidence about fist. I suggest BlackAdder for this
20/04/2010 12:19:12 AM
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here's some evidence
20/04/2010 12:49:29 AM
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Eh, FT's thing was that Talic didn't get NK'd
20/04/2010 01:50:50 AM
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Why would you want him to roleclaim?
20/04/2010 03:34:46 AM
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Re: Why would you want him to roleclaim?
20/04/2010 04:45:46 AM
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I'd rather not trust that he'll screw up a roleclaim.
20/04/2010 04:59:54 AM
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Just saying that it has changed the situation before and very well can again. *NM*
20/04/2010 03:42:06 PM
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Whoa.
20/04/2010 03:42:07 PM
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I'll wait for him to post his reasons. *NM*
20/04/2010 04:22:20 PM
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Yeah, I've been RBIRL and informed everyone of it. Reading is tech.
20/04/2010 05:36:11 PM
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Re: Yeah, I've been RBIRL and informed everyone of it. Reading is tech.
20/04/2010 06:02:45 PM
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btw, what is the case against me anyway? That I have a case against fist? *NM*
20/04/2010 06:11:01 PM
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I don't see what your points are.
20/04/2010 06:12:49 PM
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Re: I don't see what your points are.
20/04/2010 06:22:19 PM
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First off, stop with the eye rolls.
20/04/2010 06:27:48 PM
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I can't help it
20/04/2010 06:33:05 PM
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Re: I can't help it
20/04/2010 06:46:25 PM
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meh, your case against fist just seems really weak
21/04/2010 01:03:17 AM
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just because someone has a non-vanilla role
20/04/2010 06:53:39 PM
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Re: just because someone has a non-vanilla role
20/04/2010 07:11:59 PM
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I'm not voting for Blackadder Today.
20/04/2010 08:34:21 PM
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I wasn't jumping to lynch him, I was just putting pressure.
20/04/2010 09:51:17 PM
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Yeah, I thought that was interesting too.
21/04/2010 12:46:01 AM
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Bandwagon votes
21/04/2010 12:41:33 PM
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Post counts
21/04/2010 01:30:07 PM
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Really, now. Yuna, ranagrande, Amys, fist, White Flame, and Talic: The MOD has more posts than you. *NM*
21/04/2010 01:33:57 PM
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Cosequences?
21/04/2010 06:27:29 PM
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I'm not in the end, but in the middle of the list? This demands celebration! *NM*
21/04/2010 08:42:36 PM
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Personally I think it's weird that people are jumping on blackadder
21/04/2010 12:23:06 AM
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Re: Personally I think it's weird that people are jumping on blackadder
21/04/2010 03:34:46 AM
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Vote Table: 21 Apr, Wednesday 11:46 PM EST
21/04/2010 01:58:55 AM
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Hey, Talic, Yuna, and Artsapat!
21/04/2010 01:14:54 PM
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Re: Hey, Talic, Yuna, and Artsapat!
21/04/2010 01:35:13 PM
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Yea, I saw right after I posted this. Still doesn't exclude the other two!
21/04/2010 01:39:07 PM
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mrrr
21/04/2010 01:44:01 PM
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That seems awfully familiar to my reasoning.
21/04/2010 01:46:29 PM
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bleh
21/04/2010 02:00:08 PM
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It's not that you agreed with someone.
21/04/2010 02:01:25 PM
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All right, lets do this. Vote: Fox and Ravens
21/04/2010 05:37:05 PM
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Has anything happened in the last few days to increase your suspicion?
21/04/2010 06:27:43 PM
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The deadline?
21/04/2010 06:57:52 PM
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Re: The deadline?
21/04/2010 07:22:19 PM
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Yeah, sorry man.
21/04/2010 09:08:46 PM
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OK...so here are my thoughts up to this point...
22/04/2010 01:24:02 AM
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I'm disinclined to go along with this.
22/04/2010 02:16:28 AM
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Hmm. That reminds me of something.
22/04/2010 02:43:35 AM
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Oh, and I forgot to add...
22/04/2010 02:45:37 AM
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So what you're saying is that there's no way I could be vanilla?
22/04/2010 03:06:31 AM
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Don't be absurd.
22/04/2010 04:14:36 AM
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That's a terrible reason.
22/04/2010 02:35:53 PM
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Btw, Isaac, I voted for fist in my long post *NM*
22/04/2010 02:59:38 PM
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Buried it a bit there, got it now *NM*
22/04/2010 03:41:07 PM
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Another question
22/04/2010 03:46:16 PM
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So you really don't have any abilities, restrictions, or anything?
22/04/2010 03:35:39 PM
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So you agree with F-T, then?
22/04/2010 03:44:24 PM
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About lynching Fox to determine whether we have Vanillas or not? Yes.
22/04/2010 04:11:44 PM
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Re: Hmm. That reminds me of something.
22/04/2010 03:28:37 PM
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If Fox is lying about his roleclaim, that's only more reason to lynch him.
22/04/2010 06:18:41 PM
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Also, if the whole town has powers
22/04/2010 03:37:26 PM
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No, we shouldn't
22/04/2010 03:48:30 PM
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Re: No, we shouldn't
22/04/2010 04:00:33 PM
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What is it you want to hear from me?
22/04/2010 06:17:39 PM
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Re: What is it you want to hear from me?
22/04/2010 09:04:22 PM
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Well, it depends.
22/04/2010 10:56:39 PM
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and how will coordination help?
22/04/2010 08:23:27 PM
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Obviously we don't have time for this Today, just keep in mind for Tomorrow.
22/04/2010 09:01:16 PM
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The trick of this game is to never appear too obviously town, and definitely not too obviously scum.
22/04/2010 10:51:12 PM
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Re: Obviously we don't have time for this Today, just keep in mind for Tomorrow.
23/04/2010 02:47:15 AM
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P.S. could you also answer my question above to you, Kronin and Darth Katie?
22/04/2010 09:05:47 PM
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I'm pretty sure you can't change your vote, being Chair and all. *NM*
21/04/2010 10:20:14 PM
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I can probably change my vote, even if the Chair vote doesn't move along with me.
22/04/2010 12:05:31 AM
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It's not explicitly stated, but
22/04/2010 12:39:39 AM
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Ya, I think you're right. Gher has a doublevote, but I have a one-time defense.
22/04/2010 01:49:29 AM
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So, Fox: What's up with this?
22/04/2010 05:07:21 PM
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Re: So, Fox: What's up with this?
22/04/2010 07:24:46 PM
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Note from Moderator: Deadline Approaches, Current Vote Table
23/04/2010 12:30:22 PM
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Fox and Ravens has been Lynched *NM*
23/04/2010 05:56:19 PM
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Wait, isn't that 6 votes, not 7? *NM*
23/04/2010 06:25:58 PM
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As has been mentioned, it records the number of people who voted, not the number of votes
23/04/2010 06:34:45 PM
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Re: As has been mentioned, it records the number of people who voted, not the number of votes
23/04/2010 06:41:57 PM
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Day 2 Twilight – Fox and Ravens Lynched
23/04/2010 06:46:43 PM
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Whoa. . .
24/04/2010 01:49:09 AM
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And I shouldn't trust mine. I seriously thought Fox was innocent. *NM*
24/04/2010 06:53:46 AM
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And I never trust my instincts, I trust Science!
24/04/2010 08:47:16 AM
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As well you should!
24/04/2010 12:56:25 PM
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*pokes the ghost*
25/04/2010 01:16:28 AM
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