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EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. beetnemesis Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM
You were abnormally supportive of FT in fashion which indicates really only a few options.

  • You genuinely thought he was totally not suspicious but lacked any premise for it and offered none. So either you had none and were playing your instincts, which is not really a good thing, or you had one and didn't share it, a pretty anti-town thing to do.


  • I've repeatedly listed my rationale for believing FT was innocent- it basically boiled down to "Why would a DF make a complex attention-grabbing bluff when he'd be more likely to survive by keeping his head down?"





    You repeatedly accused me and others, typically with little basis, and basically always later said you had not accused us, then often did it again.


    I think the problem, really, is that you have a list of "anti-town" behaviors in your head, which look fine on paper but don't always match up with reality.

    Discussion does NOT equal accusation. Kronin I looked at on day one- when we had zero evidence to go on. I specifically did NOT try to build a case against him today, only mentioning him in little asides at most.

    Next I looked at you. Like it or not, you're suspicious- you have a lot of influence on the game due to your numerous posts, and you were the (or "a" if you prefer) driving force behind the FT lynch. In the end, I decided you weren't suspicious enough to accuse.

    Finally, ranagrande. At this point the Day had been going on for a LONG time. Fox brought up ranagrande, someone who I'd previous made a post about that said, essentially, that I had no clue what to feel about him. Fox's arguments seemed to make sense, so I got behind them, but I didn't feel near the logical certainty that I've felt with some lynches in other games, or with my defense of FT. Thus, my position of "I'll vote for him unless someone better is put forward."


    You have voted for ranagrande, however, unlike Fox, who has himself been a bit wobbly on the matter, you never really presented evidence on him and seem to have gone back and forth on his guilt. Your own objection to your lynching seem at least as applicable to him, yet you seem content to see him lynched.


    My objection to my lynching is that people have been saying I've been inconsistent, have anti-town tendencies, and the like. I've been completely consistent- I like to discuss a lot of different possibilities, and then have people comment on them. I DON'T like to commit to a decision unless I'm sure of it.

    Changing one's mind isn't a sign of being a DF- it's a sign that, due to new evidence, you've decided you were wrong.


    The reason my situation is different from ranagrande's is because we're being accused of two different things. I'm being accused of having too many accusations, or something. That's pretty different from ranagrande's stuff.


  • You are town, and suspect ranagrande, but have limited grounds to do so, however you have a 'better him than me' mindset (understandable) coupled to genuine suspicion.


  • Well, obviously. I've been saying that first sentence from the beginning. And yes, I don't want to be lynched, of course. But if you read my long post a couple days back, of the other candidates, I think he's the most likely to be a DF.


    Again, none of these really help your case. Since you have previously said you didn't think there was enough evidence to lynch him, and nothing has changed, and ironically ranagrande has not voted for you even though be he town or DF he could do so now with utter impunity, this does not look good.


    I said that though there isn't a lot of damning evidence, there's even LESS against everyone else. Including me.

    You've contradicted yourself in previous comments on multiple occasions, yes townies do that on accident, make mistakes, occasionally even do it deliberately. Of course, this is why we encourage townies to carefully check messages too, since lots of mistakes by townies leaves DF's room to maneuver.


    Like what, exactly? There was the horrific "5.8 instead of 6.0" debacle that I know our spirits are still recovering from. Other than that, I've been completely consistent.



    Finally, it's about minimizing potential damage. Townies have a responsibility not just to find the baddies, but to avoid getting lynched themselves. It is vitally important that townies avoid do anything that unnecessarily invites suspicion or justifies a lynch, because in doing so, they increase the odds that they won't be lynched, which betters the odds of lynching a DF. If you are a townie, you have sent up so many signal flares of potential guilt that you can only legitimately be considered anti-town, like a miller or a psychocop, roles which by existing, instead of being vanilla, hurt the town. So even if you are truly town and all those signals were accidents, we have to consider that your death has silver linings. Ultimately, lynching anti-townies benefits the town, if not in this game, then in future ones, as we tend to get less false positives. This is why so many people say you've dug your own hole, prior to this nobody really pushed a substantive case on you, because there was no need, you just kept stringing out more and more rope for yourself. Nor can we say 'ah, then he's town after all' because many DFs have done it on accident and in attempting to get out of their self-dug hole have made things worse for themselves.


    See my previous comment about your list of anti-town behaviors. I post a lot, and when the conversation dies down, I try to think of new things to discuss. I did that with Kronin, and I did that with my original ranagrande post. Pretty much all of your complaints can be explained from this behavior, which is how I've always been.

    I understand what you're saying about lynching someone with "false positives," but I don't think it's applicable here.

    I'm putting this out now because nobody has really given you a specific case to rebut, and because I want to make it clear what my reasoning on this is.


    Thanks- that did clear it up some.


    If you can rebut these arguments, or give reasonable alternatives, then you will likely live, if you can not, then I think you will be lynched and I don't think we'll have been wrong to do it, even if you turn out innocent.
    We must follow the logical chains of evidence and reasoning, right or wrong, but a townie can typically find an alternate clean set of reasoning for their actions, and when they can not, it is invariably because their play has been anti-town, even if their alignment was not. I would discourage anyone from hammering you until you've replied, but please do so quickly, this day has simply gone on too long, and we're unlikely to fault someone for dropping the hammer if you take long.




    I guess all I can say is that my actions have not been anti-town. I've encouraged discussion, and ALWAYS posted my motives and reasoning to encourage transparency.
    I amuse myself.
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    My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1360 Views
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    Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1188 Views
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    That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1184 Views
    Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1093 Views
    Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1110 Views
    Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1167 Views
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    Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1164 Views
    Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1203 Views
    Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1220 Views
    Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1148 Views
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    Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1247 Views
    In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1211 Views
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    I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1043 Views
    Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1149 Views
    Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1149 Views
    Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 681 Views
    After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1066 Views
    Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1201 Views
    Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1295 Views
    Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1287 Views
    Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1349 Views
    Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1151 Views
    I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1194 Views
    Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 761 Views
    Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1283 Views
    Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1247 Views
    Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1244 Views
    Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1099 Views
    Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1094 Views
    Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 657 Views
    Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1186 Views
    Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 722 Views
    That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 678 Views
    Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1182 Views
    I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1252 Views
    A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1241 Views
    Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1145 Views
    I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1234 Views
    Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1247 Views
    Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1259 Views
    Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1363 Views
    I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1125 Views
    I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1159 Views
    EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 674 Views
    Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1314 Views
    I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1359 Views
    I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1194 Views
    Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1175 Views
    Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1268 Views
    Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1241 Views
    That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1205 Views
    (My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1235 Views
    Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1227 Views
    Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1177 Views
    Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1239 Views
    Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1267 Views
    You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1260 Views
    Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1331 Views
    Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1371 Views
    Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1318 Views
    Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1222 Views
    Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1172 Views
    Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1329 Views
    Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1325 Views
    I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1139 Views
    Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1289 Views
    Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1171 Views
    Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1139 Views
    I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1283 Views
    And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 580 Views
    Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1136 Views
    All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1252 Views
    Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 585 Views
    No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1277 Views
    And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1159 Views
    shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1232 Views
    I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1158 Views
    Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1182 Views
    Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 678 Views
    Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1171 Views
    I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 682 Views
    Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 691 Views
    My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1235 Views
    Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 678 Views
    Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 667 Views
    Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1154 Views
    We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1334 Views
    You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1337 Views
    Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 586 Views
    Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1240 Views
    At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1235 Views
    Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1247 Views
    Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1294 Views
    Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1324 Views
    Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1213 Views
    Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1173 Views
    Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1264 Views
    This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1125 Views
    Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1232 Views
    Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1033 Views
    Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1213 Views
    Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1124 Views
    Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 699 Views
    Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1233 Views
    Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1404 Views
    Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1156 Views
    I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1205 Views
    Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1075 Views
    Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1157 Views
    Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1050 Views
    Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1211 Views
    What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1172 Views
    Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 647 Views
    A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1772 Views
    Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1312 Views
    Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1728 Views
    Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1139 Views
    Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 686 Views
    Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1173 Views
    Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1148 Views
    Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1289 Views
    Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1170 Views
    fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1114 Views
    Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1152 Views
    Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1222 Views
    EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1148 Views
    "Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1101 Views
    Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1205 Views
    I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1251 Views
    What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1146 Views
    me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1249 Views
    my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1291 Views
    Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1317 Views
    well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1194 Views
    Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1098 Views
    Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1316 Views
    LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 650 Views
    RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1128 Views
    You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1204 Views
    Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 655 Views
    Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 745 Views
    Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1160 Views
    Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1211 Views
    - 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1329 Views
    Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1234 Views
    Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1263 Views
    I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1133 Views
    I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1219 Views
    But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1161 Views
    Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1201 Views
    Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1122 Views
    I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1062 Views
    Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1057 Views
    ..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1131 Views
    EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1104 Views
    I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1058 Views
    I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1141 Views
    Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1293 Views
    All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1262 Views
    This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1274 Views
    Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1393 Views
    Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1044 Views
    Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1182 Views
    I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1277 Views
    We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1172 Views
    Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1103 Views
    At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1203 Views
    You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1147 Views
    Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1227 Views
    - 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1248 Views
    I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1256 Views
    I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1274 Views
    Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1296 Views
    No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 717 Views
    No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 703 Views
    Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 630 Views
    Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 671 Views
    Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 596 Views
    No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 725 Views
    No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 662 Views
    No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 763 Views
    Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 644 Views
    No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 672 Views
    no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 687 Views
    Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1054 Views
    To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1259 Views
    That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 689 Views
    I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1072 Views
    I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1374 Views
    Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1320 Views
    RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1116 Views
    Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1165 Views
    Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1215 Views
    Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1242 Views
    Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1213 Views
    Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 668 Views
    You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 591 Views
    Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 742 Views
    I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1281 Views
    Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1281 Views
    In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1311 Views

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