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Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days Isaac Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM
After so many last ditch 'you'll regret this' defenses, which tend to come roughly equally from DF and townie alike, it's kind of hard to care when anyone says 'no, no I'm not a DF, really, seriously, I'm not'

If you are innocent, do keep in mind that you dug your own hole on this one, if you are innocent, we'll just blame you ;) We have to lynch someone, we're not deliberately going to lynch someone we think is town, better no lynch than a dead townie, yeah, but while lynching people every day doesn't guarantee victory, not lynching people when you have good reason to suspect them is a definite road to defeat. We don't know if you're guilty, but you've basically fired off every last DF signal flare I know of. You're at L-1 though and nobody seems to be jumping to hammer, so you can still try to defend yourself a bit better than 'I didn't do it', let me state some of the things on you.

You were abnormally supportive of FT in fashion which indicates really only a few options.

  • You genuinely thought he was totally not suspicious but lacked any premise for it and offered none. So either you had none and were playing your instincts, which is not really a good thing, or you had one and didn't share it, a pretty anti-town thing to do.

  • You knew he was probably innocent because you know who is on your DF team, and your certainty about his innocence seemed to materialize mostly after it was obvious he was getting lynched. You never really offered any reasoning, and the flavor of it seemed primarily focused on making sure everyone knew where you stood than actually saving the person you were sure was innocent. Which is a much stronger indicator that you knew he was innocent, wanted everyone to know you thought so, but still wanted him dead.

    Note how both those scenarios make you either guilty or arguably more expendable than other townies. Simply speaking, you were too confident in his innocence, you are not a newb, so you must have known, were you town, that he might be guilty and that you're unwavering support would see you dead if he was. That you took no steps to protect against that simply seems unbelievable to most of us. It is the action of a DF who isn't thinking past 'this guy is gonna be clean, or at worst a SK so I won't be suspected of being allied.' Your actions in other games to not support that level of newb-ness, that you would realize how you'd look if he turned up guilty, nor your actions today. However, it is very normal for DFs to do something like that and not look past to realize how doing something that should make them look clean actually makes them look suspicious, even veteran players have made that mistake or similar, but I can't think of the last time a townie gave someone such unwavering support that didn't end in them saying 'Wait stop, I'm the cop, I checked him' or similar.

    You repeatedly accused me and others, typically with little basis, and basically always later said you had not accused us, then often did it again.

  • You are town and genuinely did not realize you were accusing us. Since it was done so much, it can not be said this wasn't your intent, but it may have been subconscious.

  • You were town and did know you were accusing us and are thus being false, an anti-town thing to do.

  • You are a DF/SK whatever and didn't realize we saw through your attempts at subtly accusing us and backtracked.

    Again, three options here which make you either a DF or arguably more expendable than other townies. There is an unspoken accord to be upfront with accusations, and just lay them out 'X, you're vote on Y seemed out of the blue and unexplained, can you explain it at this time?' etc. Attempts at manipulation, though common, tend to be viewed as a DF tactic, as that tends to be the origin. Little suspicion is drawn by accusations which are upfront and unambiguous.

    Trying to imply guilt without an accusation implies a desire not to been as the prime motivator for a lynch. There are occasions a townie might want to distance themselves from a potential lynch, but normally it's a DF who doesn't want to draw eyes when the lynch turns out bad. The alternate reasonings typically involve players who were recently involved in voting for a botched lynch, and are worried about a bad lynch being the prelude to their own, which obviously does not apply to you. Normally, barring that non-applicable case, people who do this do it so suspicion doesn't fall on them when the lynch goes bad, and the effort is made because they expect the lynch to go bad, which is not the norm for a townie accusation, but rather a DF.

    You have voted for ranagrande, however, unlike Fox, who has himself been a bit wobbly on the matter, you never really presented evidence on him and seem to have gone back and forth on his guilt. Your own objection to your lynching seem at least as applicable to him, yet you seem content to see him lynched.

  • You are town, and suspect ranagrande, but have limited grounds to do so, however you have a 'better him than me' mindset (understandable) coupled to genuine suspicion.

  • You are a DF, or SK, and may well think ranagrande is from the rival faction of baddies. Ironically they may think the same about you.

  • You are a DF, and it's been obvious nearly from day 1 of day 2 that you were a primary suspect, any alternate candidate is better than none. You've shifted focus repeatedly during the day, hoping something would stick.

    Again, none of these really help your case. Since you have previously said you didn't think there was enough evidence to lynch him, and nothing has changed, and ironically ranagrande has not voted for you even though be he town or DF he could do so now with utter impunity, this does not look good.

    You've contradicted yourself in previous comments on multiple occasions, yes townies do that on accident, make mistakes, occasionally even do it deliberately. Of course, this is why we encourage townies to carefully check messages too, since lots of mistakes by townies leaves DF's room to maneuver.

    Finally, it's about minimizing potential damage. Townies have a responsibility not just to find the baddies, but to avoid getting lynched themselves. It is vitally important that townies avoid do anything that unnecessarily invites suspicion or justifies a lynch, because in doing so, they increase the odds that they won't be lynched, which betters the odds of lynching a DF. If you are a townie, you have sent up so many signal flares of potential guilt that you can only legitimately be considered anti-town, like a miller or a psychocop, roles which by existing, instead of being vanilla, hurt the town. So even if you are truly town and all those signals were accidents, we have to consider that your death has silver linings. Ultimately, lynching anti-townies benefits the town, if not in this game, then in future ones, as we tend to get less false positives. This is why so many people say you've dug your own hole, prior to this nobody really pushed a substantive case on you, because there was no need, you just kept stringing out more and more rope for yourself. Nor can we say 'ah, then he's town after all' because many DFs have done it on accident and in attempting to get out of their self-dug hole have made things worse for themselves.

    I'm putting this out now because nobody has really given you a specific case to rebut, and because I want to make it clear what my reasoning on this is. If you can rebut these arguments, or give reasonable alternatives, then you will likely live, if you can not, then I think you will be lynched and I don't think we'll have been wrong to do it, even if you turn out innocent. We must follow the logical chains of evidence and reasoning, right or wrong, but a townie can typically find an alternate clean set of reasoning for their actions, and when they can not, it is invariably because their play has been anti-town, even if their alignment was not. I would discourage anyone from hammering you until you've replied, but please do so quickly, this day has simply gone on too long, and we're unlikely to fault someone for dropping the hammer if you take long.
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    9 *NM* - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 710 Views
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    Oh that's right! - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1115 Views
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    Oh yeah, we owned that one - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1105 Views
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    what I thought was pretty funny - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1173 Views
    Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 689 Views
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    Eh... not good enough - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1174 Views
    Holiday weekend - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1134 Views
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    Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1382 Views
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    I'm glad it did too. - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1212 Views
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    RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 703 Views
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    You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1132 Views
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    My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1354 Views
    Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1127 Views
    Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1181 Views
    A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1128 Views
    Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 956 Views
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    Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1131 Views
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    We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1016 Views
    Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1112 Views
    That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1177 Views
    Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1086 Views
    Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1103 Views
    Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1157 Views
    Re: Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1159 Views
    Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1155 Views
    Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1197 Views
    Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1212 Views
    Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1133 Views
    Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1278 Views
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    Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1247 Views
    Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 697 Views
    Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 688 Views
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    Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 650 Views
    fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1186 Views
    I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1242 Views
    Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1150 Views
    All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1156 Views
    Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1083 Views
    Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1222 Views
    I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1127 Views
    Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1179 Views
    About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1206 Views
    Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1237 Views
    In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1204 Views
    Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1241 Views
    I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1035 Views
    Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1142 Views
    Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1139 Views
    Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 675 Views
    After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1057 Views
    Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1192 Views
    Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1287 Views
    Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1281 Views
    Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1342 Views
    Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1145 Views
    I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1188 Views
    Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 756 Views
    Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1275 Views
    Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1240 Views
    Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1235 Views
    Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1093 Views
    Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1087 Views
    Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 652 Views
    Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1178 Views
    Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 716 Views
    That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 673 Views
    Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1176 Views
    I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1243 Views
    A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1234 Views
    Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1139 Views
    I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1229 Views
    Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1239 Views
    Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1249 Views
    Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1357 Views
    I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1116 Views
    I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1149 Views
    EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 669 Views
    Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1305 Views
    I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1351 Views
    I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1186 Views
    Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1163 Views
    Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1261 Views
    Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1234 Views
    That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1197 Views
    (My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1227 Views
    Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1217 Views
    Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1169 Views
    Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1233 Views
    Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1260 Views
    You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1253 Views
    Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1324 Views
    Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1363 Views
    Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1311 Views
    Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1215 Views
    Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1165 Views
    Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1323 Views
    Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1318 Views
    I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1128 Views
    Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1281 Views
    Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1162 Views
    Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1134 Views
    I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1275 Views
    And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 574 Views
    Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1129 Views
    All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1244 Views
    Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 581 Views
    No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1264 Views
    And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1151 Views
    shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1224 Views
    I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1145 Views
    Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1170 Views
    Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 673 Views
    Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1166 Views
    I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 676 Views
    Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 686 Views
    My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1225 Views
    Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 673 Views
    Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 661 Views
    Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1149 Views
    We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1325 Views
    You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1330 Views
    Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 582 Views
    Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1234 Views
    At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1228 Views
    Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1240 Views
    Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1286 Views
    Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1314 Views
    Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1202 Views
    Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1166 Views
    Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1257 Views
    This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1117 Views
    Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1224 Views
    Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1024 Views
    Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1204 Views
    Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1114 Views
    Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 695 Views
    Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1225 Views
    Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1397 Views
    Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1146 Views
    I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1192 Views
    Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1068 Views
    Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1150 Views
    Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1041 Views
    Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1203 Views
    What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1164 Views
    Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 641 Views
    A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1762 Views
    Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1304 Views
    Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1716 Views
    Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1127 Views
    Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 679 Views
    Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1165 Views
    Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1141 Views
    Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1280 Views
    Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1158 Views
    fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1108 Views
    Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1139 Views
    Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1214 Views
    EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1140 Views
    "Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1094 Views
    Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1196 Views
    I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1242 Views
    What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1138 Views
    me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1240 Views
    my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1283 Views
    Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1312 Views
    well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1188 Views
    Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1090 Views
    Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1309 Views
    LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 644 Views
    RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1120 Views
    You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1198 Views
    Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 651 Views
    Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 740 Views
    Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1153 Views
    Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1206 Views
    - 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1322 Views
    Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1226 Views
    Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1254 Views
    I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1124 Views
    I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1212 Views
    But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1151 Views
    Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1194 Views
    Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1115 Views
    I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1054 Views
    Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1050 Views
    ..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1123 Views
    EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1096 Views
    I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1049 Views
    I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1133 Views
    Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1287 Views
    All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1254 Views
    This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1263 Views
    Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1386 Views
    Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1038 Views
    Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1175 Views
    I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1269 Views
    We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1164 Views
    Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1095 Views
    At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1196 Views
    You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1137 Views
    Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1218 Views
    - 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1240 Views
    I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1246 Views
    I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1266 Views
    Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1286 Views
    No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 706 Views
    No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 698 Views
    Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 624 Views
    Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 665 Views
    Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 591 Views
    No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 720 Views
    No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 657 Views
    No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 753 Views
    Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 640 Views
    No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 667 Views
    no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 682 Views
    Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1044 Views
    To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1251 Views
    That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 683 Views
    I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1065 Views
    I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1367 Views
    Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1314 Views
    RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1109 Views
    Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1152 Views
    Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1208 Views
    Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1234 Views
    Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1206 Views
    Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 662 Views
    You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 586 Views
    Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 737 Views
    I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1273 Views
    Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1273 Views
    In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1300 Views

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