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Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no Isaac Send a noteboard - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM
We can't direct mod quote in a game because it's a way for people to game the system. Players can dump their role or night message on the board, and especially for more flavor-oriented mods who write longer pieces this is a chance for a player to establish innocence. It's pretty hard to clone someone else's writing style, especially in long message, that's why paraphrasing is allowed, they don't gain the extra credit.

In this case, I'd say precedent has already been established. Some games back during the middle of a game I posted my night allies and my own NB's back and forth, IIRC this was Cor and I in game 7, during the middle of the game and Hobo? and White Flame? responded in kind. So player NB's mid game are not banned and wouldn't be afterwards, I should think. Post-game, people have quoted those messages themselves by posting their roles, and mods regularly post up the entire night message texts after the game. So basically, based on previous examples, players can quote each other mid-game, but can not directly quote the mod mid-game, and otherwise everythings on the table, I'm not even sure that players can't modquote to their allies via NB, although that probably should be banned even if it isn't really enforceable since otherwise allies can demand it from each other, whcih certainly any mason would want to do these days and even DFs have reason to fear a traitor in their midsts.

Any rules in the game should exist only if it meets one or both of the following standards:

A) Is required for effective and fair gameplay

B) Clearly encourages active and friendly game play
e.g., Inactivity mod-kills, bans on highly personal attacks and vicious language, ec.

Well, that's my initial take on it, it seems we really have four questions up for ruling, so let's see how this applies to them:

1) Can you modquote after a game? (I think this would obviously not include that game's mod)

2) Can you NB-quote players during the same game

3) Can you modquote via NB during a game?

4) Can you NB-quote players after a game?

I would go with yes, no, no, and yes respectively. And my reasoning is as follows:

1) Can you modquote after a game? (I think this would obviously not include that game's mod)

Yes. The ability of a direct quote to establish high levels of credibility would disdvantage the non-town players, and start an unnecessary and distracting sidebars about forgery and potential hurtful remarks, i.e. "Well, Isaac regularly mispells 'think' as 'tihnk' and that's in this message so it's true" Though that's obviously a benign example, I don't think mod's, who are required to be fairly quiet even when people are lying about their comments, should have to be subjected to grammar analysis mid-game. As this is essentially the reason for the rule to begin with, and does not apply after a game has concluded, nor should the rule.

2) Can you NB-quote players during the same game?

No. Although this has already been done, we would instantly begin requiring any mason claim back it up with an immediate and full release of posts, it is not unusual for a mason-pairing to have a role as a member or to discuss strategy rather openly, or list potentially code phrases meant to allow mid-game coordination. Insofar as the point of being a mason is the ability to secretly communicate, you basically render the role weaker by allowing, and thus requiring post RC, quotation of exchanged messages.

3) Can you modquote via NB during a game?

No. Not only have masons often had DFs in them, but roles may appear as well and understandably not trust their colleague. Similiarly, we will eventually have a game featuring a traitor DF. Both situations would be severely compromised if rules permitted this, since they would have to comply, where as a ban allows them to legitimately say "No, that's against the rules" if asked for it. THeir allies could not press the point if they did suspect a traitor, since they'd have to fear being reported to the mod by a player who if such suspicions were warranted would have every motive to report them and have them modkilled.

4) Can you NB-quote players after a game?

Yes. This has already been done and it can not interrupt the game in which it occured by defintion. In terms of effecting gameplay, there really is none. However players should not expect anyone to feel obliged to comply with requests for such NBs nor assume they are under any compulsion to give them or give all of them. If X said "Y always used the words 'From my perspective' when lying" they may want to keep this a secret for strategic reasons, and obviously should mention as much to their allies henceforth. Common courtesy should prevent any harsh or demeaning commetns about toher players or mods in message, and similiarly should remind other players to remove those statements made by allies prior to posting it for all to see, however, it can not go back in time and effect the game in play, thus is not legitimately something we can ban.

All right, that's my opinions on the matter, I will submit my 'true opinion' to Gher via NB, but you may safely assume it will be this same message. Does anyone see a flaw in this logic or additional downsides I haven't covered?
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
- Albert Einstein

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That was my point actually. - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1176 Views
Those were the good old days. - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1136 Views
random thoughts - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1047 Views
I wasn't in that game. - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1058 Views
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Argh... quote please - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1124 Views
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Back - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1186 Views
Vote: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 978 Views
Re: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1231 Views
That's giving up awfully early. - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1011 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1161 Views
Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1084 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1059 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 970 Views
I don't think so - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1113 Views
I assumed - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1101 Views
Re: I assumed - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1128 Views
In a way Isaac is right - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1103 Views
If he was the SK - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1207 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1055 Views
9 *NM* - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 668 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1081 Views
Oh that's right! - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1058 Views
We just took that game over. - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1111 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1023 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1140 Views
Lol irony - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1092 Views
what I thought was pretty funny - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1112 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 645 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1106 Views
That was a fun one. - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1138 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1157 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 709 Views
Eh... not good enough - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1071 Views
Holiday weekend - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1046 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1216 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1293 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1118 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1173 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1131 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1192 Views
Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1133 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1213 Views
Since when are you against traps? - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1050 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1097 Views
I'm glad it did too. - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1121 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1189 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 660 Views
So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1117 Views
Re: So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1186 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1148 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1249 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1107 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1041 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1039 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1049 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1210 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1084 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1267 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1065 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1110 Views
A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1041 Views
Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 897 Views
EBWOP - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1175 Views
Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1044 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1175 Views
Naive? - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1201 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1141 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 955 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1029 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1078 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1017 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1014 Views
Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1094 Views
Re: Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1071 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1066 Views
Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1113 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1126 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1038 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1222 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1015 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1166 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 651 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 656 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 638 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 604 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1095 Views
I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1151 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1066 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1076 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1015 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1134 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1046 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1089 Views
About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1113 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1177 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1117 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1179 Views
I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 978 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1060 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1051 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 626 Views
After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 998 Views
Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1106 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1199 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1201 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1275 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1055 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1097 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 689 Views
Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1184 Views
Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1146 Views
Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1138 Views
Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1000 Views
Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1004 Views
Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 607 Views
Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1086 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 687 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 637 Views
Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1083 Views
I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1187 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1141 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1054 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1145 Views
Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1154 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1156 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1270 Views
I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1014 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1088 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 619 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1216 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1257 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1103 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1100 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1145 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1138 Views
That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1104 Views
(My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1127 Views
Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1125 Views
Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1091 Views
Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1152 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1168 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1144 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1240 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1272 Views
Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1218 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1123 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1072 Views
Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1236 Views
Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1228 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1047 Views
Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1160 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1092 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1052 Views
I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1190 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 528 Views
Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1067 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1147 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 553 Views
No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1197 Views
And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1061 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1139 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1062 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1081 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 632 Views
Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1085 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 639 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 652 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1133 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 642 Views
Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 616 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1066 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1233 Views
You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1237 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 550 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1167 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1144 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1147 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1201 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1212 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1093 Views
Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1112 Views
Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1196 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1037 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1132 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 965 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1120 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1031 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 656 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1137 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1310 Views
Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1085 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1098 Views
Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 978 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1063 Views
Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 988 Views
Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1128 Views
What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1107 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 595 Views
A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1693 Views
Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1217 Views
Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1629 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1038 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 633 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1087 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1025 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1176 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1069 Views
fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1054 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1044 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1126 Views
EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1052 Views
"Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1009 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1113 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1146 Views
What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1056 Views
me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1177 Views
my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1196 Views
Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1230 Views
well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1131 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1004 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1224 Views
LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 600 Views
RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1031 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1115 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 612 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 694 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1065 Views
Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1122 Views
- 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1221 Views
Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1134 Views
Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1167 Views
I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1064 Views
I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1117 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1078 Views
Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1137 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1026 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 960 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 960 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1025 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1015 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 992 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1055 Views
Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1195 Views
All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1168 Views
This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1162 Views
Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1301 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 980 Views
Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1087 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1189 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1110 Views
Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1000 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1114 Views
You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1049 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1106 Views
- 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1148 Views
I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1155 Views
I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1186 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1184 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 671 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 652 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 580 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 619 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 560 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 674 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 623 Views
No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 703 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 591 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 637 Views
no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 647 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 957 Views
To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1160 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 624 Views
I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 965 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1284 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1227 Views
RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1024 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1069 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1143 Views
Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1139 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1144 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 614 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 548 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 684 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1185 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1223 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1240 Views

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