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Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM
So Beet: where you intending to level accusations against Isaac or what? Honestly, what are your thoughts on the matter? Who do you think we should chase after Today?

Honestly? I'm still not sure. I WAS sure (well, 90%) about F-T; I detailed my reasons on Day 1, and I'll mention them at the end of this post.

The problem is that all of the focus is on Issac and me. I've defended myself. With Issac, I don't have nearly the same certainty.


Well, I know one of the reasons you stand out to me is simply because you took a strong stance yesterday. There were so few people who did so, those who do tend to stick in the mind. And of course, there's the potential for evil that goes along with your particular case. ;)

I mentioned on Day 1 that I didn't think Issac was a DF, just because of the massive amounts of text he wrote attacking FT. If Issac was a DF, he'd have known he was setting himself up for suspicion, and probably would have backed off a bit.

Now, Issac's been aggressive towards me today (at least, compared to all of the other players). I find myself in the same dilemma F-T was in: I know I'm innocent, so is this a case of a DF trying to drum up support for a lynch against me, or is it just Issac seizing on one of the few pieces of evidence available, and seeing where it leads?

Annoyingly, I'd have to say Issac seems innocent to me. The rest of you (barring Kronin, I think?) have more or less supported me, or at the least don't seem to find me nearly as suspicious as Issac does. Again, a DF would probably back off, right?

Or it could just be an example of the aggressive playstyle that Issac himself has admitted he uses (hold on... I'll go find the damn quote!).......................................................................................................................................................................................................OK, so I hate the world for hunting through every post to find this stupid thing.


PS I'm not accusing Issac, mostly BECAUSE he's been so dogged in attacking F-T. A DF wouldn't be that blatant, especially on Day 1.

Yes, I would. I hate to say it, but if I don't someone else will. ;) Df or townie, I tend to instigate the majority of Day 1 lynches.

So yeah, the reason I keep mentioning Issac without making a direct accusation is because while it's true he's one of the few things we are ABLE to discuss (along with me, FT, voting records, and the night kills), I don't have enough evidence yay or nay to make a convincing case, even for myself.


We appreciate the quote hunting. :D

Basically: I Am Open To Ideas. Anyone Have Some?


I guess we ought to see where Fox's accusation against Hieshyn go.

I pretty much agree on this point. I am never EVER sure about anything, and when I am I usually turn out to be wrong. The fact of the matter was that there was no evidence for either side, and both scenarios were just about equally likely.

Actually, since I'm already quoting things, I'll just quote my reasoning from Day 1:

My only main objection is your point saying that a non-random lynch is better than a random lynch. This CAN be true, but isn't always the case. A lynch isn't better simply because it's non-random; a lynch is better because it's non-random and built upon solid logic (or at least solid guesses).

Above, I made a post thinking about F-T's logic. It boiled down to two scenarios:

1) He is a DF, and decided to go from having zero suspicion on him to having major suspicion on him, on Day One. Likely part of an elaborate scheme to preemptively allay suspicion if the cop investigates him.

2) He is a Miller, knew something like this would come up eventually, and decided to do it now, rather than after he'd been investigated.

2 seems much, much more likely to me. It's obviously not working out as well as F-T had hoped, but a similar thing happened to Hopper last game: both had plans they thought would help the town, but instead drew the town's suspicion upon themselves.

Plan 1 requires a long term gambit, flying in the face of accepted DF wisdom, and ignoring the fact that on Day 1, everyone is pretty much equally suspicious- painting a bullseye on your face and telling people its fake doesn't make you less suspicious.

I was basically playing the odds like everyone else, but my rationale was "Which is more likely: A DF exposing himself for no reason, or a Lightsider trying something unorthodox and getting jumped on by nervous villagers?" Add to that the fact that many DFs have alternate abilities that make sacrificing even less attractive, and I felt confident in my choice.


Well, I suppose you were right in the end, but I still think that it was a rather over-confidant assumption. Idk. Both you and Isaac have become Persons of Interest, but we'll see.
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Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 is over. Gher - 08/02/2010 06:53:53 PM 3418 Views
List of Players Gher - 08/02/2010 06:58:04 PM 1212 Views
This is great, thanks! *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:19:25 AM 757 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:25:25 AM 1309 Views
Crap! Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:26:24 AM 1190 Views
Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Fox and Ravens - 08/02/2010 08:53:49 PM 1356 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Isaac - 08/02/2010 09:28:57 PM 1156 Views
Hey, by the way, are you Mafia? beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:34:46 PM 1302 Views
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Now that's a questionable claim. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 02:36:25 AM 1258 Views
Hah! You underestimate my ego, madam! beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:25:28 AM 1154 Views
A few questions and comments beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:29:06 PM 1235 Views
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Re: A few questions and comments beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 11:23:07 PM 1031 Views
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Re: Third Party Fox and Ravens - 08/02/2010 10:34:38 PM 1175 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:47:03 AM 1217 Views
Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:53:18 AM 1190 Views
I thinking Lynching F-T was the right thing to do. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:45:13 AM 1172 Views
RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM 735 Views
You know what? Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM 1184 Views
NO! Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 01:31:57 AM 1139 Views
Re: You know what? Isaac - 09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM 1122 Views
Heh, inorganic chemistry. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM 1178 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:38:45 AM 1162 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM 1231 Views
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Re: Oh, I learned all those lessons last year. Isaac - 09/02/2010 04:50:41 AM 1263 Views
Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 03:36:28 AM 1203 Views
Well thanks for the encouragement. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:14:50 AM 1369 Views
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See, that way the betrayal is personal. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:41:47 AM 1393 Views
Ouch *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:58:13 PM 720 Views
*NM* Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 01:02:30 AM 668 Views
Hypocop (Table) Kronin al'Sulc - 09/02/2010 12:59:06 AM 1255 Views
Beetnemesis, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:17:10 AM 668 Views
Okay Isaac - 09/02/2010 01:29:09 AM 1056 Views
Kronin, innocent. *NM* Hobo - 09/02/2010 01:53:09 AM 629 Views
Isaac, Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 09/02/2010 02:12:07 AM 725 Views
Isaac, innocent *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:37:54 AM 657 Views
I investigated Fox and Ravens and found hi to be for the shadow. *NM* Hieshyn - 09/02/2010 04:46:50 AM 672 Views
Investigated fistofpainx, found him to be innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:27:37 AM 673 Views
DK, found her innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 09/02/2010 01:48:11 PM 692 Views
Fox and Ravens, Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 03:57:50 PM 654 Views
Vote Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:30:51 AM 1246 Views
I'll add: list of players who did NOT vote yesterday beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:46:38 AM 1207 Views
RBIRL Hieshyn - 09/02/2010 04:45:19 AM 1136 Views
Hmmm, Hobo - 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM 1165 Views
We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:35:05 AM 1072 Views
Re: We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:16:19 AM 1172 Views
Re: Hmmm, Isaac - 09/02/2010 07:20:02 AM 1101 Views
Yeah, I agree with the Blaine rationalization beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:57:19 AM 1150 Views
Huh. Oh boy oh Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM 999 Views
Care to give us your thoughts? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM 706 Views
Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM 667 Views
Well, yeah... Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:57:26 PM 1299 Views
Re: Well, yeah... Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 07:27:00 PM 1108 Views
I want to throw this out here. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM 1214 Views
What changed your mind? *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 656 Views
Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM 1171 Views
*NM* Fanatic-Templar - 10/02/2010 02:56:52 AM 596 Views
I thought you'd like that. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:00:19 PM 589 Views
I was going to post a few thoughts here this morning... ranagrande - 09/02/2010 01:49:26 PM 1167 Views
Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? Hobo - 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM 1233 Views
What tips me off is the "melted plastic". Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM 1062 Views
Good point. Is an arsonist usually a third party? *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 12:28:10 AM 624 Views
That's so arbitrary, though. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM 1035 Views
EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM 1263 Views
That seems like good reasoning beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM 1189 Views
Re: That seems like good reasoning Isaac - 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM 1213 Views
That's a vig rule? I did not know that beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM 1173 Views
Well, it's pretty common sense. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM 1269 Views
I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM 1110 Views
Oh, my bad then! *NM* Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 10:19:13 PM 687 Views
As the resident expert on vigilantism ranagrande - 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM 1485 Views
Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM* Hobo - 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM 670 Views
He was a vig once or twice. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM 705 Views
I was the best vigilante you guys have ever had! *NM* ranagrande - 12/02/2010 02:19:57 AM 649 Views
The only vigilante we've ever had. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:25:20 AM 1122 Views
Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM 651 Views
Maybe it's been proposed. Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 05:19:10 AM 1221 Views
Re: Maybe it's been proposed. Hobo - 10/02/2010 05:56:10 AM 1147 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? Isaac - 10/02/2010 12:50:51 AM 1331 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 01:11:50 AM 1109 Views
Because we have a SK *NM* Hieshyn - 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM 620 Views
I agree that we probably have a SK ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:50:33 PM 1130 Views
Nah, I was just saying *NM* Hieshyn - 11/02/2010 05:06:54 AM 678 Views
wait a minute fistofpainx - 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM 1187 Views
Sensors? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:42:36 PM 571 Views
Another thing Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM 1294 Views
F-T, I assume beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM 1122 Views
Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM* Isaac - 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM 683 Views
I don't think it could be a RB ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM 1225 Views
Probably not, but not for that reason Isaac - 10/02/2010 08:32:57 PM 1191 Views
Huh. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:11:29 PM 1187 Views
Did anyone get any messages last night? beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:23:03 PM 1133 Views
Nope *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 08:35:18 PM 653 Views
Me neither. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:14:46 PM 1179 Views
Re: Me neither. ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:41:19 PM 1305 Views
RBIRL Fox and Ravens - 11/02/2010 04:52:12 PM 1128 Views
Good luck! *NM* Darth_Katie - 11/02/2010 07:05:40 PM 625 Views
Re: RBIRL Isaac - 11/02/2010 09:59:39 PM 1361 Views
We're stalling out a bit Isaac - 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM 1129 Views
Yep. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:58:02 AM 1077 Views
We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1208 Views
You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game Isaac - 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM 1361 Views
Yawn... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1321 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1288 Views
Re: Yawn... Darth_Katie - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1215 Views
Re: Yawn... ranagrande - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1156 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1322 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1144 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1010 Views
Always happy to answer your questions beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1048 Views
Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1160 Views
Re: Yawn... beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1231 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1114 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1195 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. Isaac - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1087 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1113 Views
That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM 1167 Views
Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one Isaac - 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM 1075 Views
I'm in second? Woo! Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1161 Views
Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod Isaac - 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM 1298 Views
I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1164 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you Isaac - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1141 Views
Game 1 I remember. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1030 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. Isaac - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1365 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1338 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1146 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1061 Views
Actually... Gher - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1254 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1331 Views
That was my point actually. Gher - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1212 Views
Those were the good old days. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1207 Views
random thoughts ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1111 Views
I wasn't in that game. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1121 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1423 Views
Argh... quote please Isaac - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1190 Views
Haha, fair enough beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1011 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself ranagrande - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1269 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1211 Views
Back White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1223 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1019 Views
Re: Hieshyn ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1302 Views
Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM 1064 Views
That's giving up awfully early. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1087 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! ranagrande - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1223 Views
Well this was unexpected. Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1122 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1134 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1045 Views
I don't think so Isaac - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1153 Views
I assumed Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1137 Views
Re: I assumed Isaac - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1200 Views
In a way Isaac is right Hieshyn - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1172 Views
If he was the SK Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1239 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1121 Views
9 *NM* Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 699 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1118 Views
Oh that's right! Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1093 Views
We just took that game over. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1183 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1087 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1206 Views
Lol irony Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1166 Views
what I thought was pretty funny fistofpainx - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1151 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 677 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1174 Views
That was a fun one. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1205 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1236 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* fistofpainx - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 740 Views
Eh... not good enough beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1156 Views
Holiday weekend Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1116 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1258 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1360 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1175 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1237 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1194 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched Isaac - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1229 Views
Oh, I know it can. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1196 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. Isaac - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1256 Views
Since when are you against traps? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1085 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly Isaac - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1134 Views
It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 1267 Views
I'm glad it did too. ranagrande - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1194 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot Gher - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1253 Views
I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long. Bergioyn - 16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM 1155 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* Darth_Katie - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 692 Views
Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM 1174 Views
So, where are we at? Isaac - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1180 Views
Re: So, where are we at? Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1218 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1206 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1295 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself Isaac - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1170 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1077 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1102 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question Isaac - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1111 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1282 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1121 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1334 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1107 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it Isaac - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1157 Views
A few thoughts ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1107 Views
Alright then. Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 937 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1250 Views
Haha, I'm sorry beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1113 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1245 Views
Naive? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1249 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1197 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 995 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1091 Views
Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM 1076 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1153 Views
Re: EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1056 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1082 Views
Speaking of that game Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1136 Views
Re: Speaking of that game Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1140 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1133 Views
Hey. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1182 Views
Re: Hey. White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1194 Views
Re: Hey. ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1110 Views
Re: Hey. Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1259 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1078 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1229 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 683 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 677 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 659 Views
Fair enough *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 639 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1164 Views
I think that fistofpainx - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1224 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1131 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1137 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1063 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1204 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. Darth_Katie - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1108 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1161 Views
About voting ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1187 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1218 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Gher - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1186 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1222 Views
I agree ranagrande - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1017 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1127 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1118 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 660 Views
After seeing this thread.... Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1039 Views
Go ahead and start one then. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1164 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. Isaac - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1270 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1265 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1325 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1127 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1170 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 746 Views
Fox and Ranagrande Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1257 Views
Some comments... Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1215 Views
Alright. Gher - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1217 Views
Thanks Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1073 Views
Re: Thanks Isaac - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1070 Views
Ranagrande *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 640 Views
Really? beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1158 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 705 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 661 Views
Re: Thanks beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1159 Views
I do have a question Isaac - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1223 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1214 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1122 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1210 Views
Not sure I follow Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1222 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1229 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1339 Views
I think I do ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1091 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1128 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 657 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1284 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1331 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1167 Views
I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM 1156 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1141 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 Bergioyn - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1234 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1211 Views
That sounds about right to me. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1178 Views
I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM* Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM 601 Views
(My two cents) beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1209 Views
Dude. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1198 Views
Re: Dude. beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1151 Views
Thanks. Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1213 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1233 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1232 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1306 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande Isaac - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1344 Views
Fair enough beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1290 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1195 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1142 Views
Numbers? beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1304 Views
Re: Numbers? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1298 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1105 Views
Maybe I missed it.... Kronin al'Sulc - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1258 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1142 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1116 Views
I will destroy the world beetnemesis - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1253 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 563 Views
Ok, that's totally different... beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1109 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1222 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 572 Views
Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM 666 Views
No, this is my view: beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1240 Views
And my view was: Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1131 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1204 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1126 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1150 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Hieshyn - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 661 Views
Can I ask why? Fox and Ravens - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1151 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* ranagrande - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 664 Views
Ditto. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 675 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected Isaac - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1202 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 663 Views
Eh? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 650 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1133 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn Isaac - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1308 Views
You're right, Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1313 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 571 Views
I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM 692 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! ranagrande - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1208 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1208 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap Fox and Ravens - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1221 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1265 Views
RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM* Hobo - 27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM 664 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1294 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1173 Views
Could be Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1147 Views
Re: Could be Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1236 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1101 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here Isaac - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1201 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1001 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1184 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1095 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 685 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1206 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1375 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1128 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it Isaac - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1169 Views
Oh, right. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1050 Views
Vote: ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1131 Views
Hmmm White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1023 Views
Re: Hmmm beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1185 Views
What, if anything, has changed? Isaac - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1147 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 629 Views
A little joke Isaac - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1737 Views
Haha nice. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1283 Views
Re: Haha nice. Isaac - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1695 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1105 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 669 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1144 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? Isaac - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1110 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1258 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1137 Views
fair enough White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1090 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1118 Views
Vote: beetnemesis White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1196 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1119 Views
"Jumpy?" beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1074 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1177 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1221 Views
What a rebel beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1120 Views
me and beet ranagrande - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1219 Views
my stance on voting fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1263 Views
Re: my stance on voting White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1296 Views
well the reason my not posting as much fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1169 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1072 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? Hieshyn - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1288 Views
LOL *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 632 Views
RBIRL until thursday. Bergioyn - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1098 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds Fox and Ravens - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1178 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 636 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* Isaac - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 726 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? Gher - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1135 Views
Please Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1187 Views
beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1302 Views
Re: Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1199 Views
Did you unvote? Gher - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1235 Views
I always forget that! Fox and Ravens - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1101 Views
I'm sorry. Darth_Katie - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1188 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1120 Views
Its Hammer Time! Hieshyn - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1174 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1098 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1033 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1030 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1100 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1074 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced Isaac - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1028 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1115 Views
Well you figured very wrong Isaac - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1268 Views
All right, let's look at this Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1232 Views
This is a very interesting development ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1232 Views
Ditto. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1364 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1018 Views
Gosh. beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1158 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1249 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1147 Views
Now we are down to Fist White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1074 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1182 Views
You brought this upon yourself. Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1118 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1195 Views
Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1220 Views
I'm back. Hobo - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1224 Views
I'll give it a shot beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1245 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1263 Views
No. *NM* Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 691 Views
No *NM* ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 686 Views
Nope. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 603 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 653 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 579 Views
No *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 709 Views
No *NM* Hieshyn - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 645 Views
No, sir *NM* Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 735 Views
Nope. *NM* Hobo - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 628 Views
No. *NM* Bergioyn - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 657 Views
no *NM* fistofpainx - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 673 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay Isaac - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1025 Views
To the roleblocker: beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1229 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* Isaac - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 661 Views
I think that's everyone. Darth_Katie - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1040 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1346 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1294 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1085 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. Hobo - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1120 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1184 Views
Not a bad idea Isaac - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1213 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched Gher - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1184 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 650 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 575 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* Hieshyn - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 717 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1251 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven ranagrande - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1255 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves beetnemesis - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1280 Views
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