So Beet: where you intending to level accusations against Isaac or what? Honestly, what are your thoughts on the matter? Who do you think we should chase after Today?
Honestly? I'm still not sure. I WAS sure (well, 90%) about F-T; I detailed my reasons on Day 1, and I'll mention them at the end of this post.
The problem is that all of the focus is on Issac and me. I've defended myself. With Issac, I don't have nearly the same certainty.
Well, I know one of the reasons you stand out to me is simply because you took a strong stance yesterday. There were so few people who did so, those who do tend to stick in the mind. And of course, there's the potential for evil that goes along with your particular case.
I mentioned on Day 1 that I didn't think Issac was a DF, just because of the massive amounts of text he wrote attacking FT. If Issac was a DF, he'd have known he was setting himself up for suspicion, and probably would have backed off a bit.
Now, Issac's been aggressive towards me today (at least, compared to all of the other players). I find myself in the same dilemma F-T was in: I know I'm innocent, so is this a case of a DF trying to drum up support for a lynch against me, or is it just Issac seizing on one of the few pieces of evidence available, and seeing where it leads?
Annoyingly, I'd have to say Issac seems innocent to me. The rest of you (barring Kronin, I think?) have more or less supported me, or at the least don't seem to find me nearly as suspicious as Issac does. Again, a DF would probably back off, right?
Or it could just be an example of the aggressive playstyle that Issac himself has admitted he uses (hold on... I'll go find the damn quote!).......................................................................................................................................................................................................OK, so I hate the world for hunting through every post to find this stupid thing.
PS I'm not accusing Issac, mostly BECAUSE he's been so dogged in attacking F-T. A DF wouldn't be that blatant, especially on Day 1.
Yes, I would. I hate to say it, but if I don't someone else will. Df or townie, I tend to instigate the majority of Day 1 lynches.
So yeah, the reason I keep mentioning Issac without making a direct accusation is because while it's true he's one of the few things we are ABLE to discuss (along with me, FT, voting records, and the night kills), I don't have enough evidence yay or nay to make a convincing case, even for myself.
We appreciate the quote hunting.
Basically: I Am Open To Ideas. Anyone Have Some?
I guess we ought to see where Fox's accusation against Hieshyn go.
I pretty much agree on this point. I am never EVER sure about anything, and when I am I usually turn out to be wrong. The fact of the matter was that there was no evidence for either side, and both scenarios were just about equally likely.
Actually, since I'm already quoting things, I'll just quote my reasoning from Day 1:
My only main objection is your point saying that a non-random lynch is better than a random lynch. This CAN be true, but isn't always the case. A lynch isn't better simply because it's non-random; a lynch is better because it's non-random and built upon solid logic (or at least solid guesses).
Above, I made a post thinking about F-T's logic. It boiled down to two scenarios:
1) He is a DF, and decided to go from having zero suspicion on him to having major suspicion on him, on Day One. Likely part of an elaborate scheme to preemptively allay suspicion if the cop investigates him.
2) He is a Miller, knew something like this would come up eventually, and decided to do it now, rather than after he'd been investigated.
2 seems much, much more likely to me. It's obviously not working out as well as F-T had hoped, but a similar thing happened to Hopper last game: both had plans they thought would help the town, but instead drew the town's suspicion upon themselves.
Plan 1 requires a long term gambit, flying in the face of accepted DF wisdom, and ignoring the fact that on Day 1, everyone is pretty much equally suspicious- painting a bullseye on your face and telling people its fake doesn't make you less suspicious.
I was basically playing the odds like everyone else, but my rationale was "Which is more likely: A DF exposing himself for no reason, or a Lightsider trying something unorthodox and getting jumped on by nervous villagers?" Add to that the fact that many DFs have alternate abilities that make sacrificing even less attractive, and I felt confident in my choice.
Well, I suppose you were right in the end, but I still think that it was a rather over-confidant assumption. Idk. Both you and Isaac have become Persons of Interest, but we'll see.
Insert theme music here.
Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 is over.
08/02/2010 06:53:53 PM
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Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
08/02/2010 08:53:49 PM
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Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
08/02/2010 09:28:57 PM
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Hey, by the way, are you Mafia?
08/02/2010 09:34:46 PM
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I am not Hopper
08/02/2010 10:37:55 PM
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Maybe I am AWESOME
08/02/2010 11:19:48 PM
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A few questions and comments
08/02/2010 09:29:06 PM
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Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion
09/02/2010 02:47:03 AM
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RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM*
09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM
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You know what?
09/02/2010 01:17:52 AM
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Re: You know what?
09/02/2010 01:34:42 AM
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Heh, inorganic chemistry.
09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
09/02/2010 02:38:45 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry.
09/02/2010 03:36:28 AM
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Well thanks for the encouragement.
09/02/2010 04:14:50 AM
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Heh, Mafia: Other than the occasional lynching or assassination, we're one big supportive family.
09/02/2010 04:24:26 AM
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Hypocop (Table)
09/02/2010 12:59:06 AM
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I investigated Fox and Ravens and found hi to be for the shadow. *NM*
09/02/2010 04:46:50 AM
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Hmmm,
09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM
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We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles?
09/02/2010 06:35:05 AM
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Re: We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles?
09/02/2010 07:16:19 AM
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Huh. Oh boy oh
09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM
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Care to give us your thoughts? *NM*
09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM
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Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM*
09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM
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I want to throw this out here.
09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM
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What changed your mind? *NM*
09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM
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Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone.
09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM
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Why is everyone assuming we have a SK?
10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM
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What tips me off is the "melted plastic".
10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM
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That's so arbitrary, though.
10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM
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EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante.
10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM
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That seems like good reasoning
10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM
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Re: That seems like good reasoning
10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM
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That's a vig rule? I did not know that
10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM
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Well, it's pretty common sense.
10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM
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I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable
10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM
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As the resident expert on vigilantism
10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM
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Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM*
11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM
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He was a vig once or twice. *NM*
12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM
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Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM*
10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM
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Because we have a SK *NM*
10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM
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wait a minute
10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM
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Another thing
10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM
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F-T, I assume
10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM
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Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM*
10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM
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I don't think it could be a RB
10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM
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We're stalling out a bit
11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM
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We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine...
12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM
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You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game
12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM
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Yawn...
12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM
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Re: Yawn...
13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM
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Re: Yawn...
13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM
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He's brought up accusations on himself
13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM
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Alrighty, let's try this again.
14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM
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Always happy to answer your questions
14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM
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Thanks for the answers.
15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM
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On F-T's accusations against you.
14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM
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Re: On F-T's accusations against you.
14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM
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That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records
14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM
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Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one
14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM
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I'm in second? Woo!
14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM
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Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod
14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM
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I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT.
14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM
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Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you
14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM
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Game 1 I remember.
15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM
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Re: Game 1 I remember.
15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM
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Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart.
15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM
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Actually...
15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM
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A second line of thought: ranagrande
12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM
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Vote: Hieshyn
15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM
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Re: Hieshyn
15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM
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Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics
15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM
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Well this was unexpected.
15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM
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Re: Well this was unexpected.
15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM
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I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF
15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM
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If he was the SK
15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM
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Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession.
15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM
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Oh that's right!
15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM
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Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession.
15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM
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Lol irony
16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM
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So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people
15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM
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OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing.
16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM
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Ooo sneaky sneaky
16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM
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Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky
16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM
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You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched
16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM
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Oh, I know it can.
16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM
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Re: Oh, I know it can.
16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM
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It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different.
16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM
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I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long.
16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM
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Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all.
18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM
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So, where are we at?
18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM
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EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7
18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM
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OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself
18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM
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Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself
18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM
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Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything
18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM
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Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off.
18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM
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You seem to have misunbderstood my question
18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM
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Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question
18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM
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Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2
18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM
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Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2
19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM
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Thanks, all right let's review it
19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM
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Alright then.
19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM
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EBWOP
19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM
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Re: EBWOP
19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM
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Naive?
19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM
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Naive or sinister, take your pick
19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM
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We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like
20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM
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Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game...
19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM
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Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game...
19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM
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Re: EBWOP
19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM
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Re: EBWOP
19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM
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Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN!
18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM
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Hey.
18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM
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Re: Hey.
18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM
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FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF
18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM
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Don't put words in my mouth.
18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM
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Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM*
18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM
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But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM*
18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM
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fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts?
18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM
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I think that
18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM
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Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions...
18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM
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All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM
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Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM
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Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you?
19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM
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I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence.
19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM
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Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going
19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM
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In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll)
19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM
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Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll)
19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM
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Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no
20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM
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After seeing this thread....
20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM
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Go ahead and start one then.
20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM
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Re: Go ahead and start one then.
20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM
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Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere?
20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM
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Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere?
20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM
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Alright.
20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM
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Thanks
20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM
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Re: Thanks
20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM
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Ranagrande *NM*
21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM
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Really?
21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM
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Re: Thanks
21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM
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Well, you kind of said it yourself.
21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM
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I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande
21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM
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Not sure I follow
22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM
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Items of note from my NB archive:
21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM
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I am kind of confused about what you're doing here.
22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM
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I'm feeling the same thing.
22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM
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I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this.
22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM
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Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2
22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM
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Alright. Here's a quick synposis
22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM
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That sounds about right to me.
22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM
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I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM*
23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM
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Another minor piece against ranagrande
22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM
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Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande
22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM
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Fair enough
22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM
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Re: Fair enough
22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM
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Maybe I missed it....
22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM
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Re: Maybe I missed it....
23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM
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I will destroy the world
23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM
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And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM*
24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM
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Ok, that's totally different...
24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM
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All that's different is the presumed final intent.
24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM
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Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM*
24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM
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Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM*
24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM
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No, this is my view:
24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM
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And my view was:
25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM
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shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know
25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM
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Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM*
24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM
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Can I ask why?
24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM
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We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn
25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM
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You're right, Isaac.
25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM
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Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM*
25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM
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I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM*
26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM
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At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap
26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM
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RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM*
27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM
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Sorry I've been insanely busy.
27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM
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This seems a lot like an OMGUS.
27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM
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Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy.
27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM
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Okay, let's try to finish off today
27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM
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Interesting.
27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM
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I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it
27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM
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Vote: ranagrande
27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM
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What, if anything, has changed?
28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM
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Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM*
28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM
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A little joke
28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM
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Yikes (warning: lots of text)
28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM
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Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis
28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM
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my stance on voting
01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM
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Re: my stance on voting
01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM
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Perhaps a deadline would liven things up?
02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM
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I hope you all feel really guilty about this
03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM
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Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days
03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM
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..I can and HAVE rebutted these.
03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM
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EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right.
03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM
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I'm sorry, I am not convinced
03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM
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I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok...
04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM
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All right, let's look at this
04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM
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I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely.
04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM
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At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case
04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM
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You brought this upon yourself.
03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM
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Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No'
04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM
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Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay
04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM
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I think that's everyone.
05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM
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Well, Beet already hammered.
05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM
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Beetnemesis has been lynched
05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM
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Sorry Beet! *NM*
06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM
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You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM*
06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM
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Yo, what did I do to you? *NM*
06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM
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I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED!
06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM
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