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Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie Send a noteboard - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM
So Beet: where you intending to level accusations against Isaac or what? Honestly, what are your thoughts on the matter? Who do you think we should chase after Today?

Honestly? I'm still not sure. I WAS sure (well, 90%) about F-T; I detailed my reasons on Day 1, and I'll mention them at the end of this post.

The problem is that all of the focus is on Issac and me. I've defended myself. With Issac, I don't have nearly the same certainty.


Well, I know one of the reasons you stand out to me is simply because you took a strong stance yesterday. There were so few people who did so, those who do tend to stick in the mind. And of course, there's the potential for evil that goes along with your particular case. ;)

I mentioned on Day 1 that I didn't think Issac was a DF, just because of the massive amounts of text he wrote attacking FT. If Issac was a DF, he'd have known he was setting himself up for suspicion, and probably would have backed off a bit.

Now, Issac's been aggressive towards me today (at least, compared to all of the other players). I find myself in the same dilemma F-T was in: I know I'm innocent, so is this a case of a DF trying to drum up support for a lynch against me, or is it just Issac seizing on one of the few pieces of evidence available, and seeing where it leads?

Annoyingly, I'd have to say Issac seems innocent to me. The rest of you (barring Kronin, I think?) have more or less supported me, or at the least don't seem to find me nearly as suspicious as Issac does. Again, a DF would probably back off, right?

Or it could just be an example of the aggressive playstyle that Issac himself has admitted he uses (hold on... I'll go find the damn quote!).......................................................................................................................................................................................................OK, so I hate the world for hunting through every post to find this stupid thing.


PS I'm not accusing Issac, mostly BECAUSE he's been so dogged in attacking F-T. A DF wouldn't be that blatant, especially on Day 1.

Yes, I would. I hate to say it, but if I don't someone else will. ;) Df or townie, I tend to instigate the majority of Day 1 lynches.

So yeah, the reason I keep mentioning Issac without making a direct accusation is because while it's true he's one of the few things we are ABLE to discuss (along with me, FT, voting records, and the night kills), I don't have enough evidence yay or nay to make a convincing case, even for myself.


We appreciate the quote hunting. :D

Basically: I Am Open To Ideas. Anyone Have Some?


I guess we ought to see where Fox's accusation against Hieshyn go.

I pretty much agree on this point. I am never EVER sure about anything, and when I am I usually turn out to be wrong. The fact of the matter was that there was no evidence for either side, and both scenarios were just about equally likely.

Actually, since I'm already quoting things, I'll just quote my reasoning from Day 1:

My only main objection is your point saying that a non-random lynch is better than a random lynch. This CAN be true, but isn't always the case. A lynch isn't better simply because it's non-random; a lynch is better because it's non-random and built upon solid logic (or at least solid guesses).

Above, I made a post thinking about F-T's logic. It boiled down to two scenarios:

1) He is a DF, and decided to go from having zero suspicion on him to having major suspicion on him, on Day One. Likely part of an elaborate scheme to preemptively allay suspicion if the cop investigates him.

2) He is a Miller, knew something like this would come up eventually, and decided to do it now, rather than after he'd been investigated.

2 seems much, much more likely to me. It's obviously not working out as well as F-T had hoped, but a similar thing happened to Hopper last game: both had plans they thought would help the town, but instead drew the town's suspicion upon themselves.

Plan 1 requires a long term gambit, flying in the face of accepted DF wisdom, and ignoring the fact that on Day 1, everyone is pretty much equally suspicious- painting a bullseye on your face and telling people its fake doesn't make you less suspicious.

I was basically playing the odds like everyone else, but my rationale was "Which is more likely: A DF exposing himself for no reason, or a Lightsider trying something unorthodox and getting jumped on by nervous villagers?" Add to that the fact that many DFs have alternate abilities that make sacrificing even less attractive, and I felt confident in my choice.


Well, I suppose you were right in the end, but I still think that it was a rather over-confidant assumption. Idk. Both you and Isaac have become Persons of Interest, but we'll see.
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List of Players Gher - 08/02/2010 06:58:04 PM 1239 Views
This is great, thanks! *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:19:25 AM 769 Views
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Crap! Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:26:24 AM 1217 Views
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Hey, by the way, are you Mafia? beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:34:46 PM 1333 Views
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Hah! You underestimate my ego, madam! beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:25:28 AM 1182 Views
A few questions and comments beetnemesis - 08/02/2010 09:29:06 PM 1261 Views
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Re: Well, I guess I'll kick off this discussion Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:53:18 AM 1221 Views
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RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM 753 Views
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NO! Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 01:31:57 AM 1166 Views
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Re: Heh, inorganic chemistry. Isaac - 09/02/2010 03:29:32 AM 1256 Views
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Re: Oh, I learned all those lessons last year. Isaac - 09/02/2010 04:50:41 AM 1290 Views
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See, that way the betrayal is personal. Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 04:41:47 AM 1420 Views
Ouch *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:58:13 PM 736 Views
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Hypocop (Table) Kronin al'Sulc - 09/02/2010 12:59:06 AM 1287 Views
Beetnemesis, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:17:10 AM 685 Views
Okay Isaac - 09/02/2010 01:29:09 AM 1083 Views
Kronin, innocent. *NM* Hobo - 09/02/2010 01:53:09 AM 646 Views
Isaac, Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 09/02/2010 02:12:07 AM 745 Views
Isaac, innocent *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 09/02/2010 02:37:54 AM 677 Views
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Investigated fistofpainx, found him to be innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:27:37 AM 690 Views
DK, found her innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 09/02/2010 01:48:11 PM 710 Views
Fox and Ravens, Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 03:57:50 PM 673 Views
Vote Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 09/02/2010 01:30:51 AM 1272 Views
I'll add: list of players who did NOT vote yesterday beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:46:38 AM 1237 Views
RBIRL Hieshyn - 09/02/2010 04:45:19 AM 1165 Views
Hmmm, Hobo - 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM 1188 Views
We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 06:35:05 AM 1101 Views
Re: We didn't lose two of our biggest roles. Also- I wonder if there are more roles? Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:16:19 AM 1199 Views
Re: Hmmm, Isaac - 09/02/2010 07:20:02 AM 1126 Views
Yeah, I agree with the Blaine rationalization beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:57:19 AM 1178 Views
Huh. Oh boy oh Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 06:39:15 AM 1026 Views
Care to give us your thoughts? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM 725 Views
Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM* Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM 688 Views
Well, yeah... Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:57:26 PM 1327 Views
Re: Well, yeah... Bergioyn - 09/02/2010 07:27:00 PM 1136 Views
I want to throw this out here. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM 1242 Views
What changed your mind? *NM* beetnemesis - 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 683 Views
Well, I realized I was the one telling everyone to just vote for someone. Fox and Ravens - 09/02/2010 04:56:17 PM 1201 Views
*NM* Fanatic-Templar - 10/02/2010 02:56:52 AM 615 Views
I thought you'd like that. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:00:19 PM 606 Views
I was going to post a few thoughts here this morning... ranagrande - 09/02/2010 01:49:26 PM 1191 Views
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What tips me off is the "melted plastic". Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM 1087 Views
Good point. Is an arsonist usually a third party? *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 12:28:10 AM 641 Views
That's so arbitrary, though. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM 1060 Views
EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM 1287 Views
That seems like good reasoning beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM 1222 Views
Re: That seems like good reasoning Isaac - 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM 1235 Views
That's a vig rule? I did not know that beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM 1199 Views
Well, it's pretty common sense. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:09:09 PM 1304 Views
I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM 1143 Views
Oh, my bad then! *NM* Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 10:19:13 PM 699 Views
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Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM* Hobo - 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM 684 Views
He was a vig once or twice. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM 721 Views
I was the best vigilante you guys have ever had! *NM* ranagrande - 12/02/2010 02:19:57 AM 671 Views
The only vigilante we've ever had. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:25:20 AM 1144 Views
Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM* Hobo - 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM 666 Views
Maybe it's been proposed. Kronin al'Sulc - 10/02/2010 05:19:10 AM 1246 Views
Re: Maybe it's been proposed. Hobo - 10/02/2010 05:56:10 AM 1176 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? Isaac - 10/02/2010 12:50:51 AM 1357 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 01:11:50 AM 1133 Views
Because we have a SK *NM* Hieshyn - 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM 636 Views
I agree that we probably have a SK ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:50:33 PM 1155 Views
Nah, I was just saying *NM* Hieshyn - 11/02/2010 05:06:54 AM 696 Views
wait a minute fistofpainx - 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM 1213 Views
Sensors? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 10/02/2010 01:42:36 PM 588 Views
Another thing Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM 1320 Views
F-T, I assume beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM 1145 Views
Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM* Isaac - 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM 700 Views
I don't think it could be a RB ranagrande - 10/02/2010 07:47:55 PM 1249 Views
Probably not, but not for that reason Isaac - 10/02/2010 08:32:57 PM 1216 Views
Huh. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:11:29 PM 1217 Views
Did anyone get any messages last night? beetnemesis - 10/02/2010 08:23:03 PM 1158 Views
Nope *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 10/02/2010 08:35:18 PM 665 Views
Me neither. Darth_Katie - 10/02/2010 09:14:46 PM 1205 Views
Re: Me neither. ranagrande - 10/02/2010 09:41:19 PM 1333 Views
RBIRL Fox and Ravens - 11/02/2010 04:52:12 PM 1152 Views
Good luck! *NM* Darth_Katie - 11/02/2010 07:05:40 PM 639 Views
Re: RBIRL Isaac - 11/02/2010 09:59:39 PM 1390 Views
We're stalling out a bit Isaac - 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM 1158 Views
Yep. Darth_Katie - 12/02/2010 02:58:02 AM 1101 Views
We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1232 Views
You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game Isaac - 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM 1383 Views
Yawn... beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1346 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1312 Views
Re: Yawn... Darth_Katie - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1239 Views
Re: Yawn... ranagrande - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1188 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1350 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1175 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1043 Views
Always happy to answer your questions beetnemesis - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1074 Views
Thanks for the answers. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1190 Views
Re: Yawn... beetnemesis - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1261 Views
Re: Yawn... Isaac - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1139 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1223 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. Isaac - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1116 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1142 Views
That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records Darth_Katie - 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM 1192 Views
Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one Isaac - 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM 1103 Views
I'm in second? Woo! Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1187 Views
Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod Isaac - 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM 1325 Views
I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. Kronin al'Sulc - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1190 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you Isaac - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1170 Views
Game 1 I remember. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1057 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. Isaac - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1386 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1370 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1176 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1091 Views
Actually... Gher - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1280 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1361 Views
That was my point actually. Gher - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1237 Views
Those were the good old days. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1231 Views
random thoughts ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1135 Views
I wasn't in that game. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1144 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1452 Views
Argh... quote please Isaac - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1218 Views
Haha, fair enough beetnemesis - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1037 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself ranagrande - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1297 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1237 Views
Back White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1250 Views
Vote: Hieshyn Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1044 Views
Re: Hieshyn ranagrande - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1337 Views
Well, it's less that discussion is winding down, and more that we don't have any new topics beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 05:48:22 PM 1095 Views
That's giving up awfully early. Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1115 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! ranagrande - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1245 Views
Well this was unexpected. Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1149 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. Fox and Ravens - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1165 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1071 Views
I don't think so Isaac - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1179 Views
I assumed Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1166 Views
Re: I assumed Isaac - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1228 Views
In a way Isaac is right Hieshyn - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1197 Views
If he was the SK Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1274 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1147 Views
9 *NM* Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 714 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Gher - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1143 Views
Oh that's right! Darth_Katie - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1123 Views
We just took that game over. Kronin al'Sulc - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1211 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1111 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1231 Views
Lol irony Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1197 Views
what I thought was pretty funny fistofpainx - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1193 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 696 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1199 Views
That was a fun one. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1235 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people beetnemesis - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1273 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* fistofpainx - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 756 Views
Eh... not good enough beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1181 Views
Holiday weekend Isaac - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1143 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1286 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1389 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1209 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. Darth_Katie - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1264 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1219 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched Isaac - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1261 Views
Oh, I know it can. Fox and Ravens - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1219 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. Isaac - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1287 Views
Since when are you against traps? Kronin al'Sulc - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1114 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly Isaac - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1161 Views
It's weird- I've never played Live Mafia, but I imagine it's very different. beetnemesis - 16/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 1295 Views
I'm glad it did too. ranagrande - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1219 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot Gher - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1278 Views
I'm still here, I've been busy with studying, and hadn't realized I was gone this long. Bergioyn - 16/02/2010 06:50:44 AM 1184 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* Darth_Katie - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 709 Views
Sorry all. Friday thru Monday suddenly got really hectic, I wasn't home much at all. Hobo - 18/02/2010 01:54:02 AM 1202 Views
So, where are we at? Isaac - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1208 Views
Re: So, where are we at? Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1242 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1235 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1325 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself Isaac - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1194 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1103 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1132 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question Isaac - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1139 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question Fox and Ravens - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1311 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1148 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1360 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1136 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it Isaac - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1187 Views
A few thoughts ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1137 Views
Alright then. Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 965 Views
EBWOP Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1278 Views
Haha, I'm sorry beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1139 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1272 Views
Naive? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1278 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick Isaac - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1227 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1026 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1120 Views
Re: Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:40:47 PM 1104 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1184 Views
Re: EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1093 Views
Re: EBWOP Isaac - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1110 Views
Speaking of that game Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1166 Views
Re: Speaking of that game Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1165 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1164 Views
Hey. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1202 Views
Re: Hey. White Flame of Tar Valon - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1219 Views
Re: Hey. ranagrande - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1148 Views
Re: Hey. Isaac - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1285 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1106 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1256 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 702 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 693 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 677 Views
Fair enough *NM* beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 655 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1194 Views
I think that fistofpainx - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1252 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... Kronin al'Sulc - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1157 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1162 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? Isaac - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1090 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1229 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. Darth_Katie - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1134 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going beetnemesis - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1188 Views
About voting ranagrande - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1213 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1247 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Gher - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1211 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) Fox and Ravens - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1249 Views
I agree ranagrande - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1043 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? beetnemesis - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1149 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1148 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 681 Views
After seeing this thread.... Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1066 Views
Go ahead and start one then. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1200 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. Isaac - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1295 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1287 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? Isaac - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1349 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. Kronin al'Sulc - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1150 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1194 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 761 Views
Fox and Ranagrande Darth_Katie - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1283 Views
Some comments... Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1247 Views
Alright. Gher - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1243 Views
Thanks Fox and Ravens - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1099 Views
Re: Thanks Isaac - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1094 Views
Ranagrande *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 657 Views
Really? beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1186 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 722 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 678 Views
Re: Thanks beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1182 Views
I do have a question Isaac - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1252 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1241 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. Darth_Katie - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1145 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1234 Views
Not sure I follow Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1247 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1259 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1363 Views
I think I do ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1125 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1159 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* Fox and Ravens - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 674 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: beetnemesis - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1314 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1359 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1194 Views
I hadn't even seen Beet's post at the bottom there until after I'd posted this. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:44:49 PM 1178 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1175 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 Bergioyn - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1268 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1241 Views
That sounds about right to me. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1205 Views
I'll try to, I just may not have the time to. If I do, I'll definately read them all. *NM* Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:05:24 AM 620 Views
(My two cents) beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1235 Views
Dude. Darth_Katie - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1227 Views
Re: Dude. beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1177 Views
Thanks. Bergioyn - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1239 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1267 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1260 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1331 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande Isaac - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1371 Views
Fair enough beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1318 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1222 Views
Re: Fair enough Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1172 Views
Numbers? beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1329 Views
Re: Numbers? Fox and Ravens - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1325 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1139 Views
Maybe I missed it.... Kronin al'Sulc - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1289 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... beetnemesis - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1171 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1139 Views
I will destroy the world beetnemesis - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1283 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 580 Views
Ok, that's totally different... beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1136 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1252 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 585 Views
Yea.... beet's looking worse and worse every time he opens his mouth, so to speak. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 24/02/2010 09:00:47 PM 683 Views
No, this is my view: beetnemesis - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1277 Views
And my view was: Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1159 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1232 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1158 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1181 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Hieshyn - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 678 Views
Can I ask why? Fox and Ravens - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1171 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* ranagrande - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 682 Views
Ditto. *NM* Darth_Katie - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 691 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected Isaac - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1235 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 678 Views
Eh? *NM* beetnemesis - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 667 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1154 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn Isaac - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1334 Views
You're right, Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1337 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 586 Views
I'll agree. Beet has been suspicious, and we havent found enough with ranagrande to continue *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 26/02/2010 02:00:36 AM 709 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! ranagrande - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1240 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1235 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap Fox and Ravens - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1247 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap beetnemesis - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1294 Views
RBIRL. Had a lot of school stuff, gone for the weekend. Sorry. *NM* Hobo - 27/02/2010 01:05:40 AM 681 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1324 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1213 Views
Could be Hieshyn - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1173 Views
Re: Could be Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1264 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1124 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here Isaac - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1232 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1033 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1213 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. beetnemesis - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1124 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 699 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today Isaac - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1233 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1404 Views
Interesting. Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1156 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it Isaac - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1205 Views
Oh, right. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1075 Views
Vote: ranagrande Fox and Ravens - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1157 Views
Hmmm White Flame of Tar Valon - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1050 Views
Re: Hmmm beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1211 Views
What, if anything, has changed? Isaac - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1172 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 647 Views
A little joke Isaac - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1772 Views
Haha nice. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1312 Views
Re: Haha nice. Isaac - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1728 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1139 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* Darth_Katie - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 686 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1173 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? Isaac - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1148 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1289 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1170 Views
fair enough White Flame of Tar Valon - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1114 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1152 Views
Vote: beetnemesis White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1222 Views
EBWOP White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1148 Views
"Jumpy?" beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1101 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1205 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. Darth_Katie - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1251 Views
What a rebel beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1146 Views
me and beet ranagrande - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1249 Views
my stance on voting fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1291 Views
Re: my stance on voting White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1317 Views
well the reason my not posting as much fistofpainx - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1194 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1098 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? Hieshyn - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1316 Views
LOL *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 650 Views
RBIRL until thursday. Bergioyn - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1128 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds Fox and Ravens - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1204 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 654 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* Isaac - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 745 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? Gher - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1160 Views
Please Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1210 Views
beetnemesis - 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1329 Views
Re: Fox and Ravens - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1233 Views
Did you unvote? Gher - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1263 Views
I always forget that! Fox and Ravens - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1132 Views
I'm sorry. Darth_Katie - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1219 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1161 Views
Its Hammer Time! Hieshyn - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1201 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1122 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1062 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1057 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1131 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1103 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced Isaac - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1058 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1141 Views
Well you figured very wrong Isaac - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1293 Views
All right, let's look at this Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1262 Views
This is a very interesting development ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1274 Views
Ditto. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1393 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1044 Views
Gosh. beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1182 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1277 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1172 Views
Now we are down to Fist White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1103 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case beetnemesis - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1203 Views
You brought this upon yourself. Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1146 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1227 Views
Kronin al'Sulc - 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1248 Views
I'm back. Hobo - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1256 Views
I'll give it a shot beetnemesis - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1274 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1296 Views
No. *NM* Darth_Katie - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 717 Views
No *NM* ranagrande - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 703 Views
Nope. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 630 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 671 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* Isaac - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 596 Views
No *NM* White Flame of Tar Valon - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 725 Views
No *NM* Hieshyn - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 662 Views
No, sir *NM* Fox and Ravens - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 763 Views
Nope. *NM* Hobo - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 644 Views
No. *NM* Bergioyn - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 672 Views
no *NM* fistofpainx - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 687 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay Isaac - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1054 Views
To the roleblocker: beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1259 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* Isaac - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 689 Views
I think that's everyone. Darth_Katie - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1072 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1373 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1320 Views
RBIRL White Flame of Tar Valon - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1116 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. Hobo - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1165 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president beetnemesis - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1215 Views
Not a bad idea Isaac - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1242 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched Gher - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1213 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 668 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 591 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* Hieshyn - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 742 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! beetnemesis - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1281 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven ranagrande - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1281 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves beetnemesis - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1311 Views
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