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Re: Yawn... Isaac Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM
You always seem to assume everyone's working with perfect logic.


LOL, not at all, I assume everyone is trying to think logically and believes their logic is valid. Valid doens't mean right or perfect, nor does it mean that they think only one logical interpretation is available. You can get two or three equally valid conclusions from the same info.

This always comes down to salad. If I see someone eating salad, I can say "He likes salad." or "He must be trying to watch his weight" or "It came with the meal" or "He's making a point of being seen eating salad in a public place, because it's a small town and he's worried someone will tell his wife or doctor if he's seen eating a big steak".

This last is your intro to WIFOM, because now the man has a motive for wanting to effect how others regard his consumption, same as the girl who orders the cheapest thing off the menu on a first date. Did she order it because she likes it or because she wants to effect how you regard her?

Now, any of those may be right, they are logically valid conclusions, they may all so be wrong, or, not being mutually contradictory, more than one may be right.

Alternatively - and I think this is what screws people trying to think about WIFOMs - I can not say the same thing about a huge slab of pork. If you see someone eating ribs, you basically have two logical high-prob scenarios "HE likes ribs" or "He's trying them out" and since most people who eat ribs eat them any times, the random odds of somoeone trying them out compared to eating them because they like them are significantly lower, so gun to your head, you'd be best to guess "He likes them" as the motive. However, looking at the chalkboard by the cash register, you see "Today's Special: All you can eat ribs" and this alters the equation. No matter you you cut it though, "He's watching his weight" is not a significant probability, as it is for salad, to make it worth singificant contemplation as a motive.

As with the salad ordering gal, you can WIFOM of her reasons for ordering the sald, but you can not introduce absurdity, you can not say she ordered the sald in hopes of convincing her date she liked Lobster, because even though that is a possiiblity, it is simply too small for contemplation. FT did not RC miller, in all likelihood, because he wanted to be lynched, therefore that was not likely to be his primary motivation.

As motives go "I killed Napoleon because it's so obvious a move for me as a DF that no one would believe I'd do it" isn't logically valid as a significant probability because it doesn't make me less suspcicious and killing basically anyone else would make more sense, alternatively, the frame up angle does make sense, see? It represents a better than random reason to target him.

Take this scenario... this is some logic to a bomb pretending to be a miller on day 1, or a jester doing so. Not a great plan but workable. This doesn't WIFOM though as 'Ah, but they might be a vanilla hoping to trick the DFs into thiking they're a bomb/jester in hopes of avoiding a lynch or NK', because while possible, it simply doesn't represent the WIFOMs 'each further iteration is equally plausible' standard.

It is also inherent in a WIFOM (and why I like to discourage them) that they blind you. While trying to decide which glass holds the poison, you overlook not just that they both might, or neither will, but that the bad guy might simply be using it as a distraction while a bowmen gets a good bead on you because you're sitting still pondering your cup. For this reason, when you see a WIFOM, you should always assume whoever introduced it, except when it was blatantly obvious, had an ulterior motive for bringing it up.

I made mention of my "heroic defense" partially in jest (because I like the thought of me in a cape, Righting Wrongs) and partially because it's one of the few things we have to examine.


I would tend to assume you raised it because people usually look less suspicious, or believe they do, when they raise an accusation against themselves as opposed to someone else doing it. Even if you're town, that's a pretty logical thing to do. One of the first rules of debate is to blunt an argument by raising it yourself first, and I doubt you do not know this.

I'm usually like this every game- especially if the conversation starts to die down. You can see it in my ranagrande post as well- I post my reasoning, and ask if anyone sees flaws.


Oh, I always approve of people stirring the pot, I do it a lot myself, doesn't mean I don't dish out a ladle full of broth for the opposition and skim something with lots of meat and veggies for me. ;)

And note that I wasn't making any accusations, not even against you- just saying that you were likely a catalyst in Napoleon's death, since he didn't really DO much on Day 1.


Raising it was an accusation, like I said, this is a subtle game and we all know that trick, doesn't mean you necessarily were using it, or that you had nefarious anti-town motives if you were, but both read as accusations to me, and I doubt many will disagree.

Although I will say that your WIFOM point is well taken- a 50/50 chance IS usually better than a random lynch. It didn't apply to FT (in my opinion) because I was pegging him at maybe 5% chance at best of being a DF, but it does apply to you.


See, that's an accusation

You're easily as suspicious as I am. More, I'd say, since despite your protests you were definitely the driving force behind the FT lynch.


No, I was the driving force behind pointing out the various flaws and advantages of the situation, the lynch proceeded from that. I repeat, FT was doing everything in his power to make it look like I was nailing him to a cross, up to and including pushing back on my points so I had to defend and clarify them in depth, which made it look like I was on a major offensive. Trust me, he knew what he was doing, an accusation is only as credible as the person prosecuting it, he wanted it to be attached to me, fresh from a game as a DF. Not hard either, as he knows I will present lengthy arguments for and against pretty much everything. Townie or not, that was his motive.
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I thinking Lynching F-T was the right thing to do. - 09/02/2010 04:45:13 AM 1194 Views
RBIRL ... test tomorrow. Probably not going to post tonight. *NM* - 09/02/2010 12:03:38 AM 749 Views
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Heh, inorganic chemistry. - 09/02/2010 01:57:39 AM 1203 Views
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I'll add: list of players who did NOT vote yesterday - 09/02/2010 06:46:38 AM 1230 Views
RBIRL - 09/02/2010 04:45:19 AM 1159 Views
Hmmm, - 09/02/2010 06:18:29 AM 1184 Views
Re: Hmmm, - 09/02/2010 07:20:02 AM 1121 Views
Yeah, I agree with the Blaine rationalization - 09/02/2010 08:57:19 AM 1172 Views
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Care to give us your thoughts? *NM* - 09/02/2010 07:26:09 AM 721 Views
Well, losing Doc and Deputy same night is bound to cause trouble. Especially losing Doc. *NM* - 09/02/2010 08:54:49 AM 682 Views
Well, yeah... - 09/02/2010 04:57:26 PM 1323 Views
Re: Well, yeah... - 09/02/2010 07:27:00 PM 1130 Views
I want to throw this out here. - 09/02/2010 07:21:04 AM 1237 Views
What changed your mind? *NM* - 09/02/2010 08:58:09 AM 676 Views
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*NM* - 10/02/2010 02:56:52 AM 611 Views
I thought you'd like that. *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:00:19 PM 602 Views
I was going to post a few thoughts here this morning... - 09/02/2010 01:49:26 PM 1188 Views
Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 12:09:47 AM 1255 Views
What tips me off is the "melted plastic". - 10/02/2010 12:22:56 AM 1081 Views
Good point. Is an arsonist usually a third party? *NM* - 10/02/2010 12:28:10 AM 637 Views
That's so arbitrary, though. - 10/02/2010 12:57:09 AM 1055 Views
EBWOP: It's probably not a vigilante. - 10/02/2010 01:05:57 AM 1283 Views
That seems like good reasoning - 10/02/2010 01:50:47 AM 1218 Views
Re: That seems like good reasoning - 10/02/2010 01:58:14 AM 1230 Views
That's a vig rule? I did not know that - 10/02/2010 08:16:56 PM 1195 Views
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I think he might have been referring to vigilante kills being blockable - 10/02/2010 09:43:53 PM 1134 Views
Oh, my bad then! *NM* - 10/02/2010 10:19:13 PM 696 Views
As the resident expert on vigilantism - 10/02/2010 08:04:17 PM 1507 Views
Youre the resident expert on vigilantism? *NM* - 11/02/2010 11:06:24 PM 681 Views
He was a vig once or twice. *NM* - 12/02/2010 01:33:57 AM 718 Views
I was the best vigilante you guys have ever had! *NM* - 12/02/2010 02:19:57 AM 664 Views
The only vigilante we've ever had. - 12/02/2010 02:25:20 AM 1139 Views
Wait, haven't you proposed an arsonist most games. *NM* - 10/02/2010 04:37:33 AM 662 Views
Maybe it's been proposed. - 10/02/2010 05:19:10 AM 1241 Views
Re: Maybe it's been proposed. - 10/02/2010 05:56:10 AM 1172 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 12:50:51 AM 1353 Views
Re: Why is everyone assuming we have a SK? - 10/02/2010 01:11:50 AM 1129 Views
Because we have a SK *NM* - 10/02/2010 05:14:00 AM 631 Views
I agree that we probably have a SK - 10/02/2010 07:50:33 PM 1151 Views
Nah, I was just saying *NM* - 11/02/2010 05:06:54 AM 693 Views
wait a minute - 10/02/2010 01:15:32 PM 1210 Views
Sensors? *NM* - 10/02/2010 01:42:36 PM 584 Views
Another thing - 10/02/2010 04:42:50 PM 1316 Views
F-T, I assume - 10/02/2010 05:08:58 PM 1142 Views
Probably, might be a hint at an RB but I doubt it *NM* - 10/02/2010 06:57:01 PM 697 Views
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Huh. - 10/02/2010 09:11:29 PM 1212 Views
Did anyone get any messages last night? - 10/02/2010 08:23:03 PM 1155 Views
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Me neither. - 10/02/2010 09:14:46 PM 1199 Views
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Good luck! *NM* - 11/02/2010 07:05:40 PM 636 Views
Re: RBIRL - 11/02/2010 09:59:39 PM 1384 Views
We're stalling out a bit - 11/02/2010 10:05:09 PM 1153 Views
Yep. - 12/02/2010 02:58:02 AM 1097 Views
We could talk about my heroic failure to defend the innocent some more? Fine... - 12/02/2010 07:12:51 AM 1228 Views
You seem engaged in a very active defense so far this game - 12/02/2010 09:40:23 PM 1379 Views
Yawn... - 12/02/2010 11:28:50 PM 1341 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 12:32:30 AM 1308 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 01:31:41 AM 1236 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:24:40 AM 1184 Views
He's brought up accusations on himself - 13/02/2010 02:40:01 AM 1347 Views
Dammit, I had a post and then it got deleted. - 14/02/2010 01:45:31 AM 1170 Views
Alrighty, let's try this again. - 14/02/2010 06:38:26 AM 1039 Views
Always happy to answer your questions - 14/02/2010 07:35:35 AM 1070 Views
Thanks for the answers. - 15/02/2010 07:29:31 PM 1185 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:02:34 AM 1255 Views
Re: Yawn... - 13/02/2010 02:48:22 AM 1133 Views
On F-T's accusations against you. - 14/02/2010 01:54:20 AM 1219 Views
Re: On F-T's accusations against you. - 14/02/2010 03:43:52 AM 1112 Views
Oh, right, I modded that one. - 14/02/2010 04:11:46 AM 1138 Views
That's right, I am the Breaker of Unbroken Records - 14/02/2010 05:56:52 AM 1189 Views
Actually, quite few of my streaks were broken on that one - 14/02/2010 08:43:09 AM 1098 Views
I'm in second? Woo! - 14/02/2010 02:46:05 PM 1183 Views
Yep, welcome to being a lightning rod - 14/02/2010 09:10:43 PM 1319 Views
I'm not gonna be as targeted as you; I've died a LOT. - 14/02/2010 11:17:24 PM 1184 Views
Ironically I don't think I've ever killed you - 14/02/2010 11:56:03 PM 1163 Views
Game 1 I remember. - 15/02/2010 12:01:21 AM 1052 Views
Re: Game 1 I remember. - 15/02/2010 12:19:30 AM 1383 Views
Three stalled out over the winter holidays and we had to restart. - 15/02/2010 01:26:59 AM 1365 Views
Oh, the MHael Steve incident! - 15/02/2010 04:42:31 AM 1172 Views
The game? Oh, right, that. - 15/02/2010 04:41:43 AM 1084 Views
Actually... - 15/02/2010 04:57:50 PM 1277 Views
Sorry, it was my first game. - 16/02/2010 03:34:16 AM 1357 Views
That was my point actually. - 16/02/2010 06:25:17 AM 1234 Views
Those were the good old days. - 18/02/2010 01:21:44 AM 1227 Views
random thoughts - 15/02/2010 12:46:55 PM 1130 Views
I wasn't in that game. - 18/02/2010 01:19:06 AM 1141 Views
A second line of thought: ranagrande - 12/02/2010 07:40:37 AM 1447 Views
Argh... quote please - 12/02/2010 08:54:08 PM 1213 Views
Haha, fair enough - 12/02/2010 11:30:54 PM 1032 Views
I was getting all set to defend myself - 13/02/2010 01:21:58 AM 1293 Views
RBIRL - 14/02/2010 06:11:55 AM 1233 Views
Back - 18/02/2010 02:14:25 AM 1245 Views
Vote: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 03:27:04 AM 1038 Views
Re: Hieshyn - 15/02/2010 12:54:42 PM 1333 Views
That's giving up awfully early. - 15/02/2010 07:35:37 PM 1110 Views
Never give up! Never surrender! - 15/02/2010 08:31:19 PM 1241 Views
Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 06:07:44 PM 1145 Views
Re: Well this was unexpected. - 15/02/2010 08:30:57 PM 1159 Views
I think he's saying that he's been quiet because he's busy, not a DF - 15/02/2010 08:39:53 PM 1067 Views
I don't think so - 16/02/2010 12:09:13 AM 1175 Views
I assumed - 16/02/2010 12:14:16 AM 1162 Views
Re: I assumed - 16/02/2010 01:28:43 AM 1223 Views
In a way Isaac is right - 16/02/2010 05:24:08 AM 1193 Views
If he was the SK - 15/02/2010 07:55:38 PM 1269 Views
How many games did you guys play on wotmania, anyway? - 15/02/2010 08:43:04 PM 1143 Views
9 *NM* - 15/02/2010 08:53:23 PM 710 Views
Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 08:53:03 PM 1139 Views
Oh that's right! - 15/02/2010 09:03:40 PM 1119 Views
We just took that game over. - 15/02/2010 10:12:43 PM 1205 Views
Oh yeah, we owned that one - 15/02/2010 11:48:12 PM 1107 Views
Re: Game 9 was F-T's Cairhienen Civil War/Succession. - 15/02/2010 11:54:44 PM 1227 Views
Lol irony - 16/02/2010 12:16:49 AM 1193 Views
what I thought was pretty funny - 16/02/2010 12:41:47 AM 1180 Views
Heh heh the Cairhienins would be proud *NM* - 16/02/2010 01:11:13 AM 691 Views
Oh, Isaac got High Seat there, didn't he? - 16/02/2010 01:33:05 AM 1194 Views
That was a fun one. - 18/02/2010 01:32:02 AM 1231 Views
So, it's just because he hasn't been talking much? That fits a lot of people - 15/02/2010 09:31:02 PM 1265 Views
well I really dont have anything worthwhile to say *NM* - 15/02/2010 10:06:11 PM 752 Views
Eh... not good enough - 16/02/2010 12:19:22 AM 1177 Views
Holiday weekend - 15/02/2010 11:49:37 PM 1138 Views
OK, I'm glad that vote got some discussion flowing. - 16/02/2010 02:58:55 AM 1281 Views
Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 03:58:37 AM 1385 Views
Re: Ooo sneaky sneaky - 16/02/2010 04:25:26 AM 1203 Views
It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 04:46:54 AM 1260 Views
Re: It wasn't really a big thing. - 16/02/2010 05:30:34 AM 1215 Views
You know doing this sort of thing can get you lynched - 16/02/2010 04:40:23 AM 1253 Views
Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 05:23:13 AM 1215 Views
Re: Oh, I know it can. - 16/02/2010 07:00:53 AM 1279 Views
Since when are you against traps? - 16/02/2010 04:07:05 PM 1106 Views
Since game 4 or 5, roughly - 16/02/2010 10:57:19 PM 1156 Views
I'm glad it did too. - 16/02/2010 01:16:14 PM 1215 Views
Regarding Inactivity and whatnot - 16/02/2010 06:22:14 AM 1273 Views
RBIRL - exams Thursday *NM* - 17/02/2010 02:11:27 AM 704 Views
So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 02:40:32 AM 1204 Views
Re: So, where are we at? - 18/02/2010 03:55:33 AM 1239 Views
EBWOP: Issac's maybe only a 5.5. No, a 5.7 - 18/02/2010 06:58:40 AM 1230 Views
OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:08:36 AM 1319 Views
Re: OK so I apparantly lack the technical know-how to reply to myself - 18/02/2010 07:54:05 AM 1189 Views
Well yeah, all of that is mostly why I haven't been pushing anything - 18/02/2010 08:51:14 AM 1099 Views
Uggggghhhh...Ok. This post makes me want to vote you off. - 18/02/2010 03:28:19 PM 1126 Views
You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 04:28:47 PM 1133 Views
Re: You seem to have misunbderstood my question - 18/02/2010 05:10:14 PM 1305 Views
Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 18/02/2010 05:25:49 PM 1145 Views
My post, "Re: Hieshyn" - 18/02/2010 06:32:12 PM 1356 Views
Re: Nice little typo I have there on misundertood, that's gonna be nagging at me for all of Day 2 - 19/02/2010 04:45:25 AM 1131 Views
Thanks, all right let's review it - 19/02/2010 11:41:19 AM 1184 Views
A few thoughts - 19/02/2010 03:22:32 PM 1131 Views
Alright then. - 19/02/2010 05:20:39 PM 960 Views
EBWOP - 19/02/2010 05:23:06 PM 1273 Views
Haha, I'm sorry - 19/02/2010 05:49:00 PM 1134 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 06:53:08 PM 1267 Views
Naive? - 19/02/2010 07:13:14 PM 1273 Views
Naive or sinister, take your pick - 19/02/2010 07:29:09 PM 1223 Views
We could go with "arrogant," instead of either of those, if you like - 20/02/2010 01:59:22 AM 1019 Views
Hmm...well here's something interesting now that you reminded me of that game... - 19/02/2010 08:26:33 PM 1115 Views
That's true- I've said as much earlier in this thread - 20/02/2010 02:08:47 AM 1180 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:32:55 PM 1089 Views
Re: EBWOP - 19/02/2010 08:57:50 PM 1106 Views
Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 06:03:18 AM 1161 Views
Re: Speaking of that game - 20/02/2010 05:24:16 PM 1161 Views
Actually, that reminds me. HEY KRONIN! - 18/02/2010 07:09:39 AM 1156 Views
Hey. - 18/02/2010 04:09:08 PM 1200 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:19:30 PM 1215 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 06:50:35 PM 1137 Views
Re: Hey. - 18/02/2010 05:37:33 PM 1281 Views
FT had no evidence one way or the other if Issac was a DF - 18/02/2010 05:44:43 PM 1101 Views
Don't put words in my mouth. - 18/02/2010 06:03:55 PM 1250 Views
Oh no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, FT has no more credibility than any of us *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:48:58 PM 697 Views
Well OK, a BIT more, because we know he was townie *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:34 PM 689 Views
But he IS a damn good player, and his advice, however limited, should be taken into account. *NM* - 18/02/2010 07:49:58 PM 672 Views
Fair enough *NM* - 18/02/2010 08:19:04 PM 651 Views
fistofpainx, Do you have any thoughts? - 18/02/2010 05:46:38 PM 1189 Views
I think that - 18/02/2010 09:45:56 PM 1245 Views
Well, if my combine the Vote Record with our previous suspicions... - 18/02/2010 09:48:24 PM 1153 Views
All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 18/02/2010 11:32:07 PM 1158 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 03:01:45 AM 1085 Views
Re: All right, ranagrande (and everyone else). Why shouldn't we lynch you? - 19/02/2010 04:07:03 AM 1222 Views
I think you're overestimating the appearance of your own innocence. - 19/02/2010 05:38:53 AM 1130 Views
Yeah, it's mostly just about getting the conversation going - 19/02/2010 06:40:17 AM 1183 Views
About voting - 19/02/2010 03:33:34 PM 1208 Views
Idk if that question about voting can be answered. - 20/02/2010 06:15:21 AM 1240 Views
In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 09:50:16 PM 1205 Views
Re: In response to Fox and Ravens (down here to stop horizontal scroll) - 19/02/2010 10:22:37 PM 1243 Views
I agree - 20/02/2010 02:52:53 PM 1038 Views
Should be fine.. although, maybe only paraphrase? - 20/02/2010 02:03:30 AM 1145 Views
Well, the reason for the prohibition doesn't apply post-game, so I'll go with no - 20/02/2010 05:07:38 AM 1144 Views
Seems pretty thorough to me! I pretty much agree. *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:12:40 AM 677 Views
After seeing this thread.... - 20/02/2010 05:53:47 AM 1061 Views
Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:08:12 AM 1196 Views
Re: Go ahead and start one then. - 20/02/2010 06:47:23 AM 1290 Views
Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 04:50:29 PM 1282 Views
Re: Isaac, did you say you have Cor's original rules saved somewhere? - 20/02/2010 05:16:09 PM 1345 Views
Well, these are as good a starting point as any. - 20/02/2010 05:22:34 PM 1147 Views
I think quoting NBs from other games is okay. - 20/02/2010 05:15:55 AM 1191 Views
Quoting or paraphrasing is fine IMO *NM* - 20/02/2010 05:31:45 AM 758 Views
Fox and Ranagrande - 20/02/2010 06:30:53 AM 1279 Views
Some comments... - 20/02/2010 07:54:02 PM 1243 Views
Alright. - 20/02/2010 05:43:51 PM 1240 Views
Thanks - 20/02/2010 07:48:20 PM 1095 Views
Re: Thanks - 20/02/2010 10:35:26 PM 1090 Views
Ranagrande *NM* - 21/02/2010 12:55:29 AM 653 Views
Really? - 21/02/2010 01:58:24 AM 1180 Views
Go back and look at the NB for yourself. *NM* - 21/02/2010 04:29:54 AM 718 Views
That's hilarious. *NM* - 21/02/2010 06:47:57 PM 675 Views
Re: Thanks - 21/02/2010 01:57:25 AM 1179 Views
I do have a question - 21/02/2010 07:12:57 PM 1247 Views
A prosaic explanation- (and an objection) - 21/02/2010 09:13:43 PM 1237 Views
Well, you kind of said it yourself. - 21/02/2010 07:38:32 PM 1140 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1230 Views
Not sure I follow - 22/02/2010 06:49:11 PM 1241 Views
Because I might just be blinding myself here. - 22/02/2010 07:40:15 PM 1253 Views
Oh, okay. That does make sense. - 22/02/2010 07:52:10 PM 1359 Views
I think I do - 22/02/2010 07:47:56 PM 1121 Views
I'm purposefully trying to not be so focussed on ranagrande - 21/02/2010 11:06:40 PM 1153 Views
EBWOP - sorry, double post *NM* - 21/02/2010 11:34:21 PM 670 Views
Items of note from my NB archive: - 21/02/2010 09:37:49 PM 1309 Views
I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 07:20:49 PM 1353 Views
I'm feeling the same thing. - 22/02/2010 07:36:46 PM 1188 Views
Re: I am kind of confused about what you're doing here. - 22/02/2010 08:07:19 PM 1167 Views
Re: Rafo Mafia 4 Day 2 - 22/02/2010 12:09:20 PM 1264 Views
Alright. Here's a quick synposis - 22/02/2010 07:54:19 PM 1237 Views
That sounds about right to me. - 22/02/2010 07:58:29 PM 1201 Views
(My two cents) - 22/02/2010 08:35:17 PM 1231 Views
Dude. - 22/02/2010 08:53:30 PM 1221 Views
Re: Dude. - 22/02/2010 09:45:52 PM 1173 Views
Thanks. - 23/02/2010 07:04:29 AM 1236 Views
Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 07:13:44 PM 1263 Views
You didn't read the entirety of my quote post did you? - 22/02/2010 07:42:14 PM 1256 Views
Actually, I do have a small confession to make about that... - 22/02/2010 08:14:08 PM 1327 Views
Re: Another minor piece against ranagrande - 22/02/2010 08:23:48 PM 1367 Views
Fair enough - 22/02/2010 08:38:51 PM 1314 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1218 Views
Re: Fair enough - 22/02/2010 09:07:57 PM 1168 Views
Numbers? - 22/02/2010 09:36:51 PM 1325 Views
Re: Numbers? - 22/02/2010 10:21:13 PM 1321 Views
I don't think he's innocent. OR a DF - 22/02/2010 10:42:16 PM 1132 Views
Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:26:47 PM 1283 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 22/02/2010 09:38:09 PM 1167 Views
Re: Maybe I missed it.... - 23/02/2010 09:38:23 PM 1136 Views
I will destroy the world - 23/02/2010 11:17:26 PM 1277 Views
And yet, that's the exact same thing you called me out on yesterday. *NM* - 24/02/2010 01:07:07 AM 576 Views
Ok, that's totally different... - 24/02/2010 06:36:00 AM 1132 Views
All that's different is the presumed final intent. - 24/02/2010 12:36:32 PM 1248 Views
Yeah ... those are pretty much the same. *NM* - 24/02/2010 03:17:25 PM 583 Views
No, this is my view: - 24/02/2010 11:23:25 PM 1267 Views
And my view was: - 25/02/2010 01:29:13 AM 1155 Views
shrug. I haven't been attacking you today, you know - 25/02/2010 01:46:39 AM 1228 Views
I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 01:52:07 AM 1146 Views
Re: I'm just pointing out the irony. - 25/02/2010 06:47:45 AM 1174 Views
Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* - 24/02/2010 04:51:24 AM 674 Views
Can I ask why? - 24/02/2010 05:06:22 AM 1167 Views
I'd be very interested in seeing an explanation as well *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:04:30 PM 678 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 24/02/2010 08:09:31 PM 687 Views
My, my, how totally unexpected - 24/02/2010 01:01:42 PM 1229 Views
Reasoning would be nice *NM* - 24/02/2010 10:13:43 PM 675 Views
Eh? *NM* - 25/02/2010 01:47:19 AM 663 Views
Hieshyn I will DESTROY you - 27/02/2010 01:41:25 AM 1150 Views
We're sort of in a holding pattern here, Hieshyn - 25/02/2010 07:01:23 PM 1329 Views
You're right, Isaac. - 25/02/2010 08:47:03 PM 1333 Views
Though I presume this was already somewhat obvious, ^Seconded. *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:56:19 PM 582 Views
Hieshyns and Foxes and Beets! Oh my! - 26/02/2010 02:59:51 PM 1236 Views
At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 01:44:16 AM 1230 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 06:10:33 AM 1242 Views
Re: At first I thought he was going for a F&R-style trap - 26/02/2010 07:00:02 AM 1290 Views
Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 03:33:43 AM 1318 Views
Here's what I'm getting from this: - 27/02/2010 06:49:22 AM 1207 Views
Could be - 27/02/2010 06:16:30 PM 1168 Views
Re: Could be - 27/02/2010 07:15:07 PM 1259 Views
This seems a lot like an OMGUS. - 27/02/2010 07:02:12 AM 1121 Views
Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:13:12 PM 1227 Views
Re: Well, we have a very weird situation here - 27/02/2010 05:40:16 PM 1027 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:06:39 AM 1209 Views
Re: Sorry I've been insanely busy. - 27/02/2010 07:55:13 AM 1118 Views
Gotcha, thanks. *NM* - 27/02/2010 08:07:21 AM 697 Views
Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 07:27:09 PM 1228 Views
Re: Okay, let's try to finish off today - 27/02/2010 08:24:14 PM 1400 Views
Interesting. - 27/02/2010 09:28:33 PM 1151 Views
I sort of assumed everyone knew where I'm aiming, I've been pretty open about it - 27/02/2010 09:45:50 PM 1198 Views
Oh, right. - 28/02/2010 04:32:13 AM 1070 Views
Vote: ranagrande - 27/02/2010 09:12:51 PM 1154 Views
Hmmm - 27/02/2010 11:31:52 PM 1045 Views
Re: Hmmm - 28/02/2010 12:41:07 AM 1206 Views
What, if anything, has changed? - 28/02/2010 03:19:49 AM 1168 Views
Dang, I didn't know you could make text larger. Fancy! *NM* - 28/02/2010 04:57:28 AM 642 Views
A little joke - 28/02/2010 05:16:14 AM 1764 Views
Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 05:41:14 AM 1307 Views
Re: Haha nice. - 28/02/2010 06:29:58 AM 1720 Views
Woah, that's a pretty sneaky trick with the quote links. - 28/02/2010 07:14:22 AM 1134 Views
Oh, and RBIRL: midterms week. *NM* - 27/02/2010 09:35:25 PM 681 Views
Yikes (warning: lots of text) - 28/02/2010 12:35:16 AM 1169 Views
Why do you keep calling my death inevitable? - 28/02/2010 02:51:26 AM 1144 Views
Because you have often said you're a lightning rod - 28/02/2010 07:48:14 AM 1284 Views
Guess I'll set up the other camp: Vote: beetnemesis - 28/02/2010 03:22:49 AM 1164 Views
fair enough - 28/02/2010 04:40:02 AM 1111 Views
Yeah, I would like an explanation. - 28/02/2010 05:00:55 AM 1142 Views
Vote: beetnemesis - 01/03/2010 03:18:00 AM 1218 Views
EBWOP - 01/03/2010 03:20:24 AM 1142 Views
"Jumpy?" - 01/03/2010 05:47:37 AM 1097 Views
Re: "Jumpy?" - 03/03/2010 05:35:50 AM 1198 Views
I GUESS I'll contribute my opinion. - 28/02/2010 06:15:36 AM 1247 Views
What a rebel - 28/02/2010 07:52:50 AM 1142 Views
me and beet - 28/02/2010 01:03:59 PM 1242 Views
my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:08:33 AM 1287 Views
Re: my stance on voting - 01/03/2010 03:21:32 AM 1313 Views
well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 04:03:26 AM 1190 Views
Re: well the reason my not posting as much - 01/03/2010 05:28:48 AM 1093 Views
Do you get a ring for voting abstinence? - 01/03/2010 04:56:57 AM 1311 Views
LOL *NM* - 01/03/2010 05:26:14 AM 646 Views
RBIRL until thursday. - 01/03/2010 07:06:50 AM 1123 Views
You undecided people really need to make up your minds - 01/03/2010 07:32:42 PM 1199 Views
Seriously, the suspense is killing me *NM* - 02/03/2010 05:30:26 PM 651 Views
Agreed, this is really getting ridiculous *NM* - 02/03/2010 08:06:12 PM 741 Views
Perhaps a deadline would liven things up? - 02/03/2010 08:46:35 PM 1156 Views
Please - 02/03/2010 09:12:36 PM 1207 Views
- 02/03/2010 11:20:19 PM 1325 Views
Re: - 02/03/2010 11:49:21 PM 1229 Views
Did you unvote? - 03/03/2010 04:22:52 AM 1258 Views
I always forget that! - 03/03/2010 01:04:09 PM 1127 Views
I'm sorry. - 03/03/2010 03:54:56 AM 1214 Views
But... I'm much more interesting than some stupid "book!" - 03/03/2010 04:11:02 AM 1154 Views
Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:25:27 AM 1197 Views
Re: Its Hammer Time! - 03/03/2010 05:32:34 AM 1116 Views
I hope you all feel really guilty about this - 03/03/2010 06:22:57 AM 1057 Views
Not likely, we're pretty draconian about lynches these days - 03/03/2010 09:15:00 AM 1053 Views
..I can and HAVE rebutted these. - 03/03/2010 05:15:32 PM 1127 Views
EBWOP: I need to start hitting preview to make sure the formatting is right. - 03/03/2010 05:18:43 PM 1100 Views
I'm sorry, I am not convinced - 03/03/2010 11:16:36 PM 1051 Views
I figured it'd be meaningless to RC, but ok... - 04/03/2010 01:54:36 AM 1136 Views
Well you figured very wrong - 04/03/2010 01:57:09 AM 1288 Views
All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 02:06:58 AM 1257 Views
This is a very interesting development - 04/03/2010 02:22:46 AM 1266 Views
Ditto. - 04/03/2010 02:28:18 AM 1389 Views
Re: All right, let's look at this - 04/03/2010 03:46:38 AM 1039 Views
Gosh. - 04/03/2010 04:01:04 AM 1178 Views
I find this very, very, very, VERY unlikely. - 04/03/2010 05:25:41 AM 1272 Views
We're only waiting on Bergioyn and Fist, I believe. - 04/03/2010 05:56:36 AM 1165 Views
Now we are down to Fist - 04/03/2010 03:47:22 PM 1099 Views
At this point I feel like anything I could say would only hurt my case - 04/03/2010 06:34:43 AM 1199 Views
You brought this upon yourself. - 03/03/2010 01:06:58 PM 1142 Views
Your fencing smiley has dulled my scathing retort - 03/03/2010 05:19:49 PM 1222 Views
- 03/03/2010 05:34:11 PM 1242 Views
I'm back. - 03/03/2010 07:32:24 PM 1249 Views
I'll give it a shot - 03/03/2010 08:19:01 PM 1269 Views
Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) - Summary: All 'No' - 04/03/2010 02:28:55 AM 1288 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:29:51 AM 711 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:31:43 AM 699 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:32:54 AM 626 Views
Re: Are you a Town Roleblocker? (Table) *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:34:19 AM 667 Views
Ignore, hit 'reply' instead of 'edit' I think *NM* - 04/03/2010 02:36:02 AM 592 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 03:40:15 AM 721 Views
No *NM* - 04/03/2010 04:44:27 AM 658 Views
No, sir *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:20:43 AM 756 Views
Nope. *NM* - 04/03/2010 05:25:10 AM 640 Views
No. *NM* - 04/03/2010 01:54:15 PM 668 Views
no *NM* - 05/03/2010 03:52:07 AM 683 Views
Well, I don't think there is much point in further delay - 04/03/2010 11:44:57 PM 1047 Views
To the roleblocker: - 05/03/2010 01:46:50 AM 1253 Views
That's everyone, Vote: Beetnemesis *NM* - 05/03/2010 04:06:03 AM 684 Views
I think that's everyone. - 05/03/2010 04:39:23 AM 1068 Views
I wouldn't jump on fist- he seems like he just rarely posts - 05/03/2010 06:21:34 AM 1368 Views
Also: Someone kill me! Eh, screw it. - 05/03/2010 06:27:29 AM 1317 Views
RBIRL - 05/03/2010 05:17:54 AM 1111 Views
Well, Beet already hammered. - 05/03/2010 06:44:08 AM 1152 Views
Hah! It's like a ghost! Or a lame-duck president - 05/03/2010 07:22:42 AM 1210 Views
Not a bad idea - 05/03/2010 08:13:59 AM 1238 Views
Beetnemesis has been lynched - 05/03/2010 05:38:05 PM 1209 Views
Sorry Beet! *NM* - 06/03/2010 05:11:56 AM 664 Views
You shall be the only one I don't haunt *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:29:23 AM 588 Views
Yo, what did I do to you? *NM* - 06/03/2010 06:47:51 PM 737 Views
I meant of those who lynched me! You shall be EXALTED! - 06/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1274 Views
Hmm... tell me more about this robot-heaven - 06/03/2010 09:15:57 PM 1276 Views
In both places, the humans are our slaves - 07/03/2010 06:48:29 PM 1304 Views

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