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Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 03/09/2009 04:57:54 AM
It's hard when you're anti-day 1 lynch like I am. (I'm not getting into another discussion on this, FT). I'd elaborate but I'd be opening my mouth like I told myself not to. :P


Day 1 No Lynch is a perfectly decent tactic, whenever your odds of lynching are roughly the same as random it makes sense, personally I'm against it today though.


You gain nothing, and lose something.


A day 1 no lynch has advantages, when you have no viable target to lynch, much like hypocopping it can hurt or help, depending on various factors. Personally, I'm against a no lynch today, that doesn't change the fact that sometimes it makes sense. The best thing you can get out of townie near-random lynch on day 1 is a vote record to use on the DFs later. I really can't think of a case where a random day 1 lynch benefited the town.

You do gain something too, the town has a cop, the cop can make an investigation, about 1 in 3 the cop IDs a DF, that alternate is he clears someone.


Which we only learn if the cop reveals himself. But never mind that, there is never real evidence for anybody on Day 1. Sometimes people think they are, but that can lead to cases like the lynching of Delmaradrid Saighan in whatever number game that was.

More often than not, players enter the second day with no better clues, and one less Lightsider. In case of a random lynch, at least there's a voting record to go by, and the reactions to it. And you're no worse off, because even if you do lynch a Lightsider, it doesn't actually reduce your number of chances at lynching a Darkfriend, as I demonstrated to Fox and Ravens last time.

Ultimately, it's the number of chances you get at lynching Darkfriends that counts, not the number of Lightsiders you have. If you only get two chances at finding the Darkfriend, it doesn't matter if you have five or five thousand Lightsiders - you still only get two chances. Heck, less might be better, because your probabilities are higher.
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Mafia Day one Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 10:53:04 AM 2487 Views
Alright!! Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:58:50 AM 1216 Views
Vote tally Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 11:10:18 AM 1153 Views
Tee hee hee. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 11:18:09 AM 1223 Views
OMGUS - Vote: Fox and Ravens *NM* Isaac - 30/08/2009 03:03:21 PM 741 Views
Congrats on the acronym by the way *NM* Gher - 31/08/2009 07:08:15 PM 727 Views
Yeah, now that I think about it no one has used it yet Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:29:15 AM 1029 Views
All right - new usernames (table) Isaac - 30/08/2009 03:35:59 PM 1180 Views
Well, I'm not playing, but I'll be in next game. Hobo - 31/08/2009 02:37:22 AM 1084 Views
I'll follow Isaac's lead and claim my first name! *NM* mcrumiller - 31/08/2009 10:39:59 PM 799 Views
And by that I mean this. *NM* Marshall - 31/08/2009 10:40:43 PM 731 Views
Got really confused for a second when I saw this post..... Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 04:34:49 PM 1120 Views
Alrighty!! Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 05:42:17 PM 1211 Views
Hypocopping always sounds like a solid plan to me. Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 06:28:51 PM 1199 Views
awh, thanks. your SN is cool too *NM* Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 06:30:54 PM 680 Views
You should have changed you name to.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 06:52:46 PM 1191 Views
Haha Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 07:18:10 PM 1110 Views
Well, I confirm that, I'm an Aes Sedai Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:37:32 PM 1052 Views
What I really think we should do.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 08:49:04 PM 1157 Views
Okay, that's a bad idea Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:52:42 PM 1116 Views
Yeah. I agree completely. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:51:09 PM 1229 Views
Wait... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:04:34 PM 1132 Views
Haha. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:09:53 PM 1087 Views
So this means you owe me money, right? Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:16:17 PM 1128 Views
Re: So this means you owe me money, right? Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:24:22 PM 1205 Views
Technically Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:27:29 PM 1138 Views
Re: Technically Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:42:16 PM 1159 Views
I'm guessing you meant to quote that. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:52:21 PM 697 Views
yes, the new format is, well, new *NM* Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:54:36 PM 660 Views
See, now that we have others.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:09:00 PM 1079 Views
Why are you so dead set on Ajahs anyway? Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:15:22 PM 1092 Views
Well.... Napoleon62 - 30/08/2009 10:17:08 PM 1067 Views
No way, me too. Kronin al'Sulc - 30/08/2009 11:15:01 PM 1096 Views
Well, I might as well say it Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 12:20:58 AM 1118 Views
So that's three Isaac - 31/08/2009 12:50:31 AM 1161 Views
Yeah, I think we ought to wait to reveal Ajahs Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 12:54:41 AM 1168 Views
Maybe we should just lynch Isaac. Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 07:32:50 PM 1171 Views
Just to address that Isaac - 30/08/2009 08:29:01 PM 1115 Views
Re: Just to address that Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 08:57:17 PM 1061 Views
Re: Just to address that Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:01:20 PM 1068 Views
I'm going to facepalm . Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 09:22:57 PM 1052 Views
LOL, you miss the point Isaac - 30/08/2009 09:27:31 PM 1119 Views
How does it do that? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 09:30:14 PM 1076 Views
Re: How does it do that? Isaac - 30/08/2009 10:02:33 PM 1185 Views
Re: How does it do that? Fanatic-Templar - 30/08/2009 10:42:39 PM 994 Views
Probably better to just end this line of speculation now Isaac - 31/08/2009 03:02:12 AM 1154 Views
Do you mean that since you can't lie, saying you're for the Tower proves your goodness? Gher - 31/08/2009 01:44:01 AM 995 Views
Or so you say. Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 09:53:09 PM 1213 Views
BTW Yunalesca - 30/08/2009 08:43:16 PM 1135 Views
I would suggest you do it anyway so they're at least saved on this site. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:07:26 PM 751 Views
I just sent myself the saved copy I had. Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:17:46 PM 1099 Views
The saved copy of the rules we had every game, correct? *NM* Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:50:10 PM 694 Views
Nope, my personal role message. Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 10:54:33 PM 923 Views
hello fistofpainx - 30/08/2009 09:17:20 PM 1109 Views
Re: hello Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 09:29:51 PM 1002 Views
Hahahaha! Fox and Ravens - 30/08/2009 10:12:09 PM 1001 Views
Game Rules Darth_Katie - 30/08/2009 11:45:00 PM 1147 Views
Thank you. That's good to have for this site. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 12:19:53 AM 663 Views
Voting Record (Table) Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 12:43:54 AM 1125 Views
Hey all. Gher - 31/08/2009 01:38:12 AM 954 Views
watch the horizontal scroll guys! *NM* Yunalesca - 31/08/2009 10:25:11 AM 648 Views
Ok.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 02:01:39 PM 1100 Views
Howdy White Flame of Tar Valon - 31/08/2009 04:42:47 PM 1028 Views
I still can't see the fuss over Isaac's post Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 05:25:14 PM 1096 Views
It was a misunderstanding, I think Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 06:07:54 PM 1053 Views
^Read this^ Rather than the long discussion by Isaac and F-T *NM* Gher - 31/08/2009 07:07:41 PM 644 Views
Yep, that's pretty much it *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/08/2009 09:40:26 PM 606 Views
See, that looks pretty bad for you. Kronin al'Sulc - 31/08/2009 07:37:28 PM 1050 Views
I think I have to agree with that Isaac - 31/08/2009 08:49:45 PM 1020 Views
Re: I think I have to agree with that Isaac - 31/08/2009 08:50:00 PM 1132 Views
? Never double-posted that way before *NM* Isaac - 31/08/2009 09:15:21 PM 688 Views
Congratulations of discovering new and exciting ways for us to embarrass ourselves . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 31/08/2009 09:42:49 PM 643 Views
Well, Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 09:00:47 PM 1000 Views
I agree here.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 09:11:52 PM 1004 Views
He said it was suspicious saying "For the Tower" as opposed to "For the Light". Kronin al'Sulc - 31/08/2009 09:13:25 PM 1050 Views
It does look suspicous at this point.... Napoleon62 - 31/08/2009 09:54:56 PM 1072 Views
What do you mean? Darth_Katie - 31/08/2009 10:24:53 PM 1015 Views
Just.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 01:37:26 AM 1019 Views
Okay, thanks. *NM* Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 01:42:25 AM 664 Views
I see what you mean but hardly agree with it Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:05:07 AM 1053 Views
It's the best we've got right now. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 02:44:20 AM 1023 Views
I've done so much today. Hours of engineering and chem...again. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:57:08 AM 709 Views
im here again fistofpainx - 31/08/2009 04:48:28 PM 1104 Views
I'm here Stephen - 31/08/2009 06:16:40 PM 982 Views
What's with everyone switching their usernames to their real names? lol *NM* Fox and Ravens - 31/08/2009 08:51:23 PM 686 Views
i didn't *NM* Yunalesca - 31/08/2009 09:10:23 PM 711 Views
Well, neither did I. But a lot of people here did. *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 02:01:06 AM 708 Views
Might as well move along Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:36:28 AM 1070 Views
Tower Alignment (Table) Isaac - 01/09/2009 12:45:59 AM 1041 Views
I am Aes Sedai. *NM* Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 02:04:10 PM 665 Views
I'm not an Aes Sedai *NM* Gher - 01/09/2009 07:47:43 PM 703 Views
I'm an AS *NM* Stephen - 01/09/2009 08:19:50 PM 661 Views
Okay. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 02:50:21 PM 1074 Views
Well, WF has had two days to reply, but hasn't even tried to defend himself. Kronin al'Sulc - 01/09/2009 03:24:11 PM 1106 Views
I don't intend to let him get out of it either. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 03:45:31 PM 1019 Views
hey there fistofpainx - 01/09/2009 06:54:20 PM 1006 Views
Re: I don't intend to let him get out of it either. White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:23:00 PM 984 Views
Well, it's easy to mount a defense after you've been told your error.... Kronin al'Sulc - 01/09/2009 07:26:29 PM 1046 Views
Re: Well, it's easy to mount a defense after you've been told your error.... White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:36:31 PM 972 Views
jk White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 07:37:30 PM 1073 Views
Wait, now you're trying to throw the blame on ME? Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 07:45:26 PM 1061 Views
See my response to Gher aka I'm lazy. *NM* Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 08:07:35 PM 665 Views
Re: Wait, now you're trying to throw the blame on ME? White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 09:29:46 PM 1018 Views
I don't want a repeat of Game 2. Gher - 01/09/2009 07:50:57 PM 1060 Views
This is a good point. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 08:06:24 PM 1080 Views
I'd like to add a few point to this. Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:21:27 PM 1079 Views
As soon as he starts getting accused... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 09:49:14 PM 1012 Views
What you did was suspicious Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:50:56 PM 1005 Views
I wish wotmania were still alive.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 10:06:03 PM 1030 Views
Yeah, and we cut you slack because you were a newbie. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:10:34 PM 1046 Views
Oh, well... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 10:53:57 PM 999 Views
Well...it doesn't change what your doing Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:02:48 PM 992 Views
Yes, but I'm not doing anything wrong... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 11:24:33 PM 1039 Views
Not really watching your words does put suspicion on you Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:29:52 PM 984 Views
Yes, but Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 02:55:03 AM 1002 Views
Re: As soon as he starts getting accused... White Flame of Tar Valon - 01/09/2009 10:52:03 PM 1057 Views
to avoid loads of editing Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:22:36 PM 1122 Views
And Isaac is at L-5? I still have my vote up! *NM* Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:24:29 PM 611 Views
thanks for reminding me Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:29:56 PM 1011 Views
I'll add in my vote too, Vote: White Flame *NM* Isaac - 04/09/2009 12:15:50 PM 730 Views
All right, I think we need to throw in the towel Isaac - 01/09/2009 09:33:04 PM 1086 Views
I'll trust your judgement here... Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 09:35:46 PM 1130 Views
nuts Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 09:48:11 PM 1087 Views
Re: nuts Isaac - 01/09/2009 10:24:36 PM 1089 Views
*sigh* Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 10:27:57 PM 1024 Views
I still don't think we need to quit. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:31:30 PM 1075 Views
If that's what's up then let's keep going. Fox and Ravens - 01/09/2009 11:04:30 PM 1015 Views
Well, I've thrown in my two cents Isaac - 01/09/2009 11:16:23 PM 1085 Views
I don't understand, but.... Napoleon62 - 01/09/2009 09:52:33 PM 977 Views
Wait a minute. Darth_Katie - 01/09/2009 10:17:08 PM 1046 Views
I don't care if you stop it or not but I'm in the next one *NM* Murtach74 - 01/09/2009 10:57:19 PM 664 Views
Right then Yunalesca - 01/09/2009 10:40:41 PM 970 Views
Guess I'll vote for White Flame as well. Fanatic-Templar - 01/09/2009 11:46:00 PM 1121 Views
I'm torn. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 03:09:00 AM 936 Views
It's Day 1. Fanatic-Templar - 02/09/2009 05:35:46 AM 1076 Views
I know, that's why I'm torn. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 08:22:36 PM 1048 Views
Well, it seems White Flame might be screwed. Kronin al'Sulc - 02/09/2009 05:53:59 AM 961 Views
Great. Everybody's going to be looking at me tomorrow if WF turns out to be a DF Fox and Ravens - 02/09/2009 07:21:56 AM 964 Views
Re: Great. Everybody's going to be looking at me tomorrow if WF turns out to be a DF White Flame of Tar Valon - 02/09/2009 06:58:22 PM 1045 Views
I think you should probably claim. Darth_Katie - 02/09/2009 08:24:02 PM 960 Views
I would add my 2 cents here but I'm telling myself to stay out of it. Fox and Ravens - 02/09/2009 09:42:48 PM 991 Views
Re: I would add my 2 cents here but I'm telling myself to stay out of it. Isaac - 02/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 981 Views
Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 03:24:43 AM 1058 Views
Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Isaac - 03/09/2009 03:59:05 AM 1116 Views
Re: Day 1 no-lynch is a lose-lose tactic for the Light. Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 04:57:54 AM 1036 Views
Who are your warders? Isaac - 02/09/2009 11:10:28 PM 1050 Views
Do we want him naming names? Gher - 02/09/2009 11:28:54 PM 984 Views
Not much choice really Isaac - 03/09/2009 12:01:11 AM 1035 Views
My claim White Flame of Tar Valon - 03/09/2009 05:04:26 PM 1104 Views
Ok.... Napoleon62 - 03/09/2009 05:08:25 PM 957 Views
It doesn't sound that outlandish to me. Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 07:11:06 PM 1008 Views
Not quite to the level of outlandish, no.... Napoleon62 - 03/09/2009 07:31:49 PM 1053 Views
I don't know. Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 08:02:45 PM 1102 Views
Nor I, but we now have some definite leads to work with Isaac - 04/09/2009 05:13:18 AM 1027 Views
I'm not a warder Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 01:01:27 PM 967 Views
Re: I'm not a warder Isaac - 04/09/2009 05:03:10 PM 968 Views
Well, don't worry about me voting for WF Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 06:07:04 PM 967 Views
That's an excellent point, actually. Darth_Katie - 04/09/2009 07:57:20 PM 948 Views
I am not Aes Sedai, nor Warder. Kronin al'Sulc - 05/09/2009 12:26:01 AM 955 Views
All right, the advised day 1 strategy Isaac - 03/09/2009 01:18:09 AM 1025 Views
Sounds Good to Me Darth_Katie - 03/09/2009 02:14:41 AM 1025 Views
Re: All right, the advised day 1 strategy Fanatic-Templar - 03/09/2009 03:30:27 AM 1034 Views
the situation so far Yunalesca - 04/09/2009 06:02:36 PM 990 Views
Can you keep some kind of constant form for the vote counts? Fox and Ravens - 04/09/2009 06:11:53 PM 1017 Views
sorry Yunalesca - 04/09/2009 06:26:17 PM 1049 Views
Speaking of votes Isaac - 04/09/2009 07:39:17 PM 1066 Views
RBIRL... Napoleon62 - 04/09/2009 08:00:50 PM 964 Views
my non voting reason fistofpainx - 04/09/2009 11:32:46 PM 983 Views
Not really any reason. Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:49:00 AM 985 Views
VOTE: White Flame Stephen - 05/09/2009 01:48:23 AM 973 Views
Alright Gher - 05/09/2009 05:09:48 AM 1110 Views
Not really any reason Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:47:03 AM 1038 Views
Crap. Ignore this. Should have been a reply to Isaac. Fox and Ravens - 05/09/2009 08:48:10 AM 939 Views
Twilight Yunalesca - 05/09/2009 10:11:54 AM 1110 Views
Re: Twilight White Flame of Tar Valon - 06/09/2009 05:13:46 AM 1023 Views
night has fallen. Yunalesca - 05/09/2009 10:27:26 AM 1033 Views
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