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And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM

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Praziquantel's claim doesn't really make sense. You're willing to let it slide because it makes him unlikely to be a Hippo, but I have seen no real evidence for your Hippos as scum theory.

We now know that the Hippos are an actual, in-game faction.

The Hippos are literally defined by being xenophobes.

The Hippos have been responsible for regular fluff-related deaths.

The Hippos are the only ones with any excuse to commit the only actual in-game Night Kill.

You cannot see any evidence for the Hippos being scum? I cannot accept that as being possible, therefore that can only be a lie.

Hell, even Artsapat, the person I am trying to lynch for being to favourably inclined towards the Hippos admits that the Hippos are the most likely scum. Quoted below:


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The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on [...]

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, [...]


Even in previous Days, his argument was mostly, "yes, the Hippos look like the most obvious scum faction, but we don't know if they even exist in the game, whereas we actually know of two Vampires, so we should go after them first". Which we now have, and the result is confirmation of the existence of the Hippo faction.

You think Praziquantel's claim doesn't make sense? So what?
You thought my claim that I didn't need to kill anybody and yet was categorically pro-town didn't make sense, and yet here we are, and look at how wrong you were.
You thought this game couldn't possibly contain multiple roles that didn't require people's death, despite your own (alleged) role being one such, and yet since the Watch is a multiple-character faction, obviously you were once again completely wrong.
Your doubts regarding Praziquantel are the most convincing argument for his innocence I have ever heard.

Because I doubt you're simply having a long, unfortunate sequence of terrible judgment calls and mistakes. It's far more likely that you're scum and are making calls that are actually beneficial to you and your team. And don't think I've forgotten about the scummy behaviour that lead me to try to get you lynched previously either.

You know what? You're actually a much better lynching candidate than Artsapat. Because even if I'm wrong, even if your claim is actually true, then by your own account, the town has absolutely nothing to lose by lynching you. You claimed as survivor, meaning you don't actually count as a townie for the purposes of the town vs. scum conflict. You claimed an Ankh-Morpork native, which means that the xenophobic Hippo faction we factually know to exist will not be gaining any morale points from your death. It's a win-win situation: either I am correct and your death gives us the first real town victory this game, or else I am wrong, you were telling the truth, you are not a Hippo, and nothing of value is lost. An unaligned roleblocker? You can't get much easier as a lynching target than that, and that assumes your best-case scenario.

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Vote: ranagrande

And you know what? I'm going to give you a chance. You say you would rather try to find a scummer than try to find a Hippo. You have voted for Praziquantel, meaning that he is "the scummer" you believe you have found.

You also do not believe that a faction known to exist in the game that is defined by xenophobia, is directly related to constant violence, destruction and death in the fluff, and the only group to which we can ascribe a motive for the Night Kill of Stephen, the only Night Kill to have occurred during the game, is sufficient evidence to suspect that faction of being scum.

Very well. We do not know what is sufficient evidence to pass the Ranagrande Standard, but we have a good reference point for what isn't. We will therefore use that as a minimum. You think Praziquyantel is scum, therefore he has clearly passed the Ranagrande Standard. Please enlighten us.

Being a faction absolutely known to be in the game is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum>/b>. Prove absolutely the existence of the scum faction to which you believe Praziquantel belongs.

Being a faction entirely built on the motive for scum actions which is repeatedly involved in the game's narrative is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Demonstrate how Praziquantel's scum faction revolves around aggression to other players and point out their numerous appearances in the fluff.

Having a motive to kill Stephen is insufficient evidence, but it is a minimum. Explain Praziquantel's scum faction's motive to Night Kill Stephen.

Remember that these are all, of course, absolute minimums. The Hippos have passed all those tests, and even considering them as likely scum is unthinkable to you, so obviously I am going to expect a lot more from you.

Live up to your standards or die trying, obvscum.

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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1774 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1101 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 736 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 637 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1085 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1035 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1195 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 953 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 986 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1045 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1153 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1043 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1082 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 911 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 972 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1022 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 989 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1070 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1053 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1011 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 984 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1102 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1154 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1163 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1005 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1056 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 918 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1051 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1118 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1059 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 643 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1054 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 671 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 970 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1106 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 986 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 591 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 715 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1116 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1004 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1107 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 988 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 590 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1277 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1036 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1008 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 587 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1108 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 977 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 952 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1115 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1054 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1094 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1060 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 979 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 999 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1075 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1174 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1004 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1113 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1076 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 965 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1113 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1051 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1076 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1250 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1363 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1113 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 998 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1023 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1052 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1157 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1245 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1076 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1264 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1031 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1105 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 940 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1277 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 944 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 721 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 748 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1128 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1108 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1050 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1278 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1357 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1097 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1024 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1037 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1322 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1105 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1177 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 934 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 806 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1015 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1098 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1173 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1044 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1289 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1100 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 810 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 598 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1214 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 993 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1211 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1086 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 847 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 725 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 724 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 598 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 750 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 983 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 908 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1321 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 988 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1214 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 597 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1047 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1258 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1042 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 982 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1177 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 654 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1207 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1298 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1261 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 602 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 703 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 622 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1348 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1275 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 648 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 785 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 781 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1268 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1388 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1331 Views

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