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Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat Send a noteboard - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM

Ever since Yuna got modkilled, we've had some snippets of discussion, but nothing to go forward on. From the recap of what happened, two things stand out to me.

Firstly, Praz's story doesn't completely add up: he says his win conditions align with the Watch's, but he's not a member of the Watch. His Roleblock also came out as something from the Watch. I would really like some explanation for this.
For Stephen's death we're likely looking at Wizards (see, beet, I learn, I learn), unless we find evidence of a Troll or a supernatural being. That means that rana is a suspect. He also doesn't seem to have the Town's aims at heart, as has been discussed primarily by FT yesterDay.

I'm personally willing to go with a Lynch of either Praz or Rana based on this.

Can I have a hand count on the number of ppl willing to have this day go with a No-Lynch again? If we see that we will never get the VNTL, we might as well throw the towel in the ring and go to Night.

Which brings me to a final point I've been pondering: since FT (and any other Watch members - if I would have to guess, Taiga's a member of the Watch too) will win when enough Nights go by without a Lynch, he seems to be rather close to that goal. I would expect a win condition of 3 or 4 Nights to be feasible for this game, but regardless of that goal, the Watch already has had 2 nights without an NK and is thus getting closer to their win condition. Since I'm not sure anybody else can win if the Watch wins, I feel I (and everybody else) should have a vested interest in not letting him get that goal.
But that brings me to a dilemma: in order to stop the Watch from winning, we should have NKs. But I don't wants NK: NKs are the territory of Scum, NKs and maybe a Vig. NKs are deaths in the dark, with less information than a Lynch and a lack of information is invariably bad for the Town. The only other way of stopping the Watch from winning without letting the scum win, is to either win yourself first (which I assume we're all trying to do), or stop the Watch at all. But I'm not Lynching members from a Town-aligned faction, unless I have solid reasons to do so.

Pfff, I can tell you that this part has been making my head hurt for a while already.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1721 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1058 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 716 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 610 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1035 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 979 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1146 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 912 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 938 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 997 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1106 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 997 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1033 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 868 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 943 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 975 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 942 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1014 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1005 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 959 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 931 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1049 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1100 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1109 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 973 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 859 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1003 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 869 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1002 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1073 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 997 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 618 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1009 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 646 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 942 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 592 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1068 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 934 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 563 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 689 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1061 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 952 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1055 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 948 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 567 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1197 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 985 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 956 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1045 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1046 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 562 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1055 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 926 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 913 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1067 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1009 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1047 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1018 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 930 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 949 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1025 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1123 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 947 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1066 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 981 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 844 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 904 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1025 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 909 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1065 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 995 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1019 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1205 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 941 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1307 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1065 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 954 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 974 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1006 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1108 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1194 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1027 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1205 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 972 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1053 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 885 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1225 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 887 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 697 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 726 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1077 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1052 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 999 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1231 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1306 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1048 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 972 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 585 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 983 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1267 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1239 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1047 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1121 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 885 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 780 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 964 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1053 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1127 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 997 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1238 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1056 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 785 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 573 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 815 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 547 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1131 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1023 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1199 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 947 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1160 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1080 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 783 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1029 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 821 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 700 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 698 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 573 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 724 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 935 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 856 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1269 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 946 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1182 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 567 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 990 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1199 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 990 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 925 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1122 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 633 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1146 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1248 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1357 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 625 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 708 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1214 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 582 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 674 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 594 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1290 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1217 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 624 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 757 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 756 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1215 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1332 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1280 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 797 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 842 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 1663 Views
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