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Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat Send a noteboard - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM

Ever since Yuna got modkilled, we've had some snippets of discussion, but nothing to go forward on. From the recap of what happened, two things stand out to me.

Firstly, Praz's story doesn't completely add up: he says his win conditions align with the Watch's, but he's not a member of the Watch. His Roleblock also came out as something from the Watch. I would really like some explanation for this.
For Stephen's death we're likely looking at Wizards (see, beet, I learn, I learn), unless we find evidence of a Troll or a supernatural being. That means that rana is a suspect. He also doesn't seem to have the Town's aims at heart, as has been discussed primarily by FT yesterDay.

I'm personally willing to go with a Lynch of either Praz or Rana based on this.

Can I have a hand count on the number of ppl willing to have this day go with a No-Lynch again? If we see that we will never get the VNTL, we might as well throw the towel in the ring and go to Night.

Which brings me to a final point I've been pondering: since FT (and any other Watch members - if I would have to guess, Taiga's a member of the Watch too) will win when enough Nights go by without a Lynch, he seems to be rather close to that goal. I would expect a win condition of 3 or 4 Nights to be feasible for this game, but regardless of that goal, the Watch already has had 2 nights without an NK and is thus getting closer to their win condition. Since I'm not sure anybody else can win if the Watch wins, I feel I (and everybody else) should have a vested interest in not letting him get that goal.
But that brings me to a dilemma: in order to stop the Watch from winning, we should have NKs. But I don't wants NK: NKs are the territory of Scum, NKs and maybe a Vig. NKs are deaths in the dark, with less information than a Lynch and a lack of information is invariably bad for the Town. The only other way of stopping the Watch from winning without letting the scum win, is to either win yourself first (which I assume we're all trying to do), or stop the Watch at all. But I'm not Lynching members from a Town-aligned faction, unless I have solid reasons to do so.

Pfff, I can tell you that this part has been making my head hurt for a while already.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Isaac - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 2146 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. beetnemesis - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1454 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 947 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 883 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results Artsapat - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1417 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. Fanatic-Templar - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1379 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1532 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" beetnemesis - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 1298 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" Praziquantel - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 1319 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me Fanatic-Templar - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1384 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1492 Views
Did something happen to you? Fanatic-Templar - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1393 Views
I believe so beetnemesis - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1415 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. beetnemesis - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 1250 Views
Why would I answer? Fanatic-Templar - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 1301 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca beetnemesis - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1343 Views
Hmm ? - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 1304 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1441 Views
On the other hand... Fanatic-Templar - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1380 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? beetnemesis - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 1323 Views
So soap trumps night kill? Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 1302 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1465 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna Fanatic-Templar - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1479 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals beetnemesis - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1491 Views
My initial reaction... ? - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 1339 Views
I dunno. If he was going to be modkilled, what would be the point of NK'ing him? beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:35:42 PM 1234 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1374 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk beetnemesis - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 1286 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. Fanatic-Templar - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1382 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals ranagrande - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1463 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals Fanatic-Templar - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1409 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 856 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Artsapat - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1382 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* Bergioyn - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 900 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted Taiga - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 1303 Views
Haha the "hypo" stands for "hypothetical." You're supposed to pretend like you did. *NM* beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:15:02 PM 841 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... Artsapat - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1463 Views
Hypocop Table beetnemesis - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 1328 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* ranagrande - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 789 Views
FT not guilty *NM* ? - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 927 Views
Re: Hypocop Table Taiga - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1478 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 1336 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap Sacrilicious Toast - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1447 Views
Happy New Year! Isaac - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 1365 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* Artsapat - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 801 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again Praziquantel - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1681 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1363 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? beetnemesis - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 1343 Views
Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Artsapat - 04/01/2014 08:50:08 PM 1414 Views
Re: Interesting speculation, but it's not in line with the circumstances of the death scene Taiga - 06/01/2014 12:12:40 PM 1410 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 774 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1454 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 1349 Views
? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 1278 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1415 Views
And furthermore... Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1378 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1468 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1415 Views
...what? beetnemesis - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 1323 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 1312 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1419 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1505 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 1391 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1443 Views
The truth is we know nothing about the undead other than one of them had a NK beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:41:32 PM 1345 Views
How do you know we even have an undead faction? Bergioyn - 08/01/2014 04:28:16 PM 1214 Views
I don't, true. I know that we have more than one undead, and Stephen's NK was not a Watch ability beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 04:46:42 PM 1295 Views
OK, this makes sense. Artsapat - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1442 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. Fanatic-Templar - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 1321 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow Artsapat - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1432 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1364 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1483 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1619 Views
Well I guess this confirms that we have a definitive scum faction. ? - 07/01/2014 10:06:14 PM 1333 Views
Good work, F-T Praziquantel - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1688 Views
Re: Good work, F-T Fanatic-Templar - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1468 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? beetnemesis - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 1326 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1390 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Fanatic-Templar - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1395 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Artsapat - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1498 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1577 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. beetnemesis - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1435 Views
And why shouldn't they? Praziquantel - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1634 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? Artsapat - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1390 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1455 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. ranagrande - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 1285 Views
Sounds good to me too. Fanatic-Templar - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1754 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. Bergioyn - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 1283 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* beetnemesis - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 918 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 980 Views
RBIRL Taiga - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1476 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Sacrilicious Toast - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1450 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy Isaac - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1383 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca Isaac - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1770 Views
So... Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1836 Views
Re: So... Taiga - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1473 Views
EBWOP. Taiga - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 1371 Views
Complicating matters, there are a ton of dwarves that have been born in the city *NM* beetnemesis - 13/01/2014 03:24:06 PM 818 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. ? - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1381 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1836 Views
If it helps your analysis any more, I'm satisfied that vampires aren't a threat beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:28:38 PM 1772 Views
Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1432 Views
Re: Not strictly true Artsapat - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1491 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. ? - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 1249 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* beetnemesis - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 1011 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. ranagrande - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 1346 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1446 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Artsapat - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1498 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? Sacrilicious Toast - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1362 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1784 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. Artsapat - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1478 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 1023 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* Bergioyn - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 798 Views
...I suppose. Still, the thought of calling a DW witch a "magician" makes my skin crawl. *NM* beetnemesis - 17/01/2014 05:15:09 PM 1065 Views
Euhm. Yeah. Right. Sorry. Been a while since I read DW... *NM* Artsapat - 19/01/2014 08:37:11 PM 761 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night beetnemesis - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1719 Views
Re: Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night Sacrilicious Toast - 18/01/2014 03:36:41 PM 1405 Views
Vampire was my interpretation, but the wording was just that I woke up feeling drained beetnemesis - 19/01/2014 06:33:10 PM 1728 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. Artsapat - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 1361 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1682 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ? - 20/01/2014 02:03:11 PM 1479 Views
I never fully got over the cancelation of Buffy and Angel *NM* beetnemesis - 20/01/2014 04:00:03 PM 1050 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. ranagrande - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1408 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* beetnemesis - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 1065 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 949 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* Isaac - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 945 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* ? - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 782 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* beetnemesis - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 962 Views
What's been discussed already. ? - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 1367 Views
Well, you know my reasoning Artsapat - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 1242 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. Fanatic-Templar - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1771 Views
Vote: Praziquantel ranagrande - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 1319 Views
And here you are again. Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1674 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 806 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz ? - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1389 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1744 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: ? - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1359 Views
Wait let me try that again... ? - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 1349 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1647 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 851 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1689 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1763 Views
For what it's worth I completely agree that the lynch is legitimate. Fanatic-Templar - 27/01/2014 09:44:10 PM 1886 Views
For sure. I didn't even check the timing. *NM* ? - 27/01/2014 11:49:32 PM 849 Views
Also something of an issue because his death specifically grants a morale bonus to his lynchers *NM* Isaac - 28/01/2014 12:41:19 AM 953 Views
Can we get an extension? Fanatic-Templar - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1731 Views
Seconded. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 786 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 933 Views
Thank you *NM* ? - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 797 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1847 Views
Vote record Update 1 Isaac - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1776 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* Bergioyn - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 853 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 1011 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* beetnemesis - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 977 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched Isaac - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1745 Views
Twilight has begun Isaac - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1889 Views
Re: Twilight has begun Fanatic-Templar - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1832 Views
Ha, cool! In a more active board, it might have been better, but still, neat idea *NM* beetnemesis - 28/01/2014 03:39:41 AM 1034 Views
So, is it taking long because the Watch protected us SO WELL that you're writing an epic message? *NM* beetnemesis - 04/02/2014 06:33:39 PM 1087 Views
The nights have grown as long as the days I think Isaac - 05/02/2014 12:57:11 PM 2218 Views
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