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Not strictly true Artsapat Send a noteboard - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM

The confirmation we have is that there exists a faction called the Hippos, and that Yuna's enemies were from that faction, but that doesn't mean it is THE scum. Agreed, it does very much look like it, and I think I'll work on that hypothesis from now on, but let's not forget that both Stephen and Yuna have win conditions that lie outside the normal mafia set up. It's still possible there are other groups or factions, or that certain players/factions can win without the Hippos being eliminated (the standard definition of Scum). You yourself say you can win when a certain amount of nights go by without an NK. At that point, we may assume that it is not necessary that the Hippos have been eliminated. In particular: I'm not sure if non-Watch townies would win if you or the Watch would. I dont think I'm willing to risk that.

But even if we now would have had confirmation the Hippos are Scum, and I agree that it's a good place to look, how to find one? Races don't really matter as Taiga pointed out, as non-humans are not always foreigners, and humans are not always Ankh-Morporkians. Plus: we don't have that kind of information, except for one. The one person we do know is Ankh-Morporkian already is ranagrande, but I have no idea if he can conceivably be considered a xenophobe. So far, from the descriptions of Stephen and Yuna, the roles and characterization seem to fit the character nicely, but in order to "make" scum, Isaac may have found it necessary to "tweak" the characters a little.

I understand that I look like a good target to you, but you'll find my voting record to not be strictly anti-Yuna. And what I said at the start of today, was the following:

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If that doesn't signify a group (and a dangerous one at that), which I have been thinking about since the beginning, I don't know what else it is.

That's not going after her perse, but indicating that I would eye her extra carefully. And I did, if only she would have reacted to questions of either roleclaim, or a little more information. In addition, you DO know I didn't do the NK on Stephen. After all, I was detained by the Watch (or, to be precise, by Praz, which still is a strange story) during that very night.

The mystery deepens... I think. *MySmiley*
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Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 23/12/2013 02:05:56 PM 1753 Views
I was kind of hoping we had a Watch faction that would take out a Hippo tonight. - 23/12/2013 03:22:57 PM 1084 Views
I targeted a lot of people and don't know against whom I was successful or not. *NM* - 23/12/2013 11:47:29 PM 727 Views
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm *NM* - 24/12/2013 07:46:16 AM 626 Views
"a lot of people" and "don't know" the results - 24/12/2013 08:03:12 AM 1066 Views
You oughtn't be so surprised. - 24/12/2013 07:22:47 PM 1016 Views
Seems pretty consistent to me - 24/12/2013 07:40:33 PM 1175 Views
...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 09:51:02 PM 938 Views
Re: ...it does? His last hypocop was "Did nothing so I could save Morale" - 24/12/2013 10:15:41 PM 966 Views
Re: Seems pretty consistent to me - 25/12/2013 04:09:14 AM 1026 Views
I'd like to know if you targetted me, as well. - 25/12/2013 02:17:25 PM 1136 Views
Did something happen to you? - 27/12/2013 03:45:20 AM 1028 Views
I believe so - 28/12/2013 12:58:24 AM 1063 Views
Well? Did you target me? I will make a statement immediately upon your answer. - 29/12/2013 03:52:17 AM 895 Views
Why would I answer? - 29/12/2013 03:59:24 AM 951 Views
Fine, then. Vote: Yunalesca - 30/12/2013 03:59:03 PM 1006 Views
Hmm - 01/01/2014 07:01:52 PM 971 Views
I know people are reluctant to lynch "nice" vampires - 02/01/2014 02:44:47 PM 1049 Views
On the other hand... - 02/01/2014 06:15:48 PM 1031 Views
...you mean the one Night Kill victim we've had? - 02/01/2014 06:56:38 PM 988 Views
So soap trumps night kill? - 04/01/2014 07:08:11 AM 962 Views
Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 07:47:39 AM 1082 Views
Re: Pretty sure I presented three reasons why I felt we should lynch Yuna - 04/01/2014 06:58:57 PM 1135 Views
Short and sweet rebuttals - 04/01/2014 07:22:41 PM 1147 Views
My initial reaction... - 04/01/2014 10:47:11 PM 983 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 05/01/2014 03:37:18 AM 1035 Views
I say that a player likely attacking other players is a higher risk - 05/01/2014 02:37:40 PM 902 Views
Not by your definition of "attacking", no. - 05/01/2014 06:08:49 PM 1032 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:24:43 AM 1107 Views
Re: Short and sweet rebuttals - 06/01/2014 05:51:20 AM 1035 Views
True, but there is no indication of a different group, is there? *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:37:15 PM 629 Views
Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 24/12/2013 07:58:55 AM 1036 Views
Fanatic-Templar - Not Guilty *NM* - 25/12/2013 10:18:51 AM 660 Views
Re: Hmm. Apparentely my last post was not posted - 25/12/2013 11:11:17 AM 952 Views
At first I was like "Waah?", but then I noticed this... - 23/12/2013 09:08:16 PM 1091 Views
Hypocop Table - 25/12/2013 02:21:42 PM 968 Views
Praziquantel - Not Guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 04:58:14 AM 579 Views
FT not guilty *NM* - 27/12/2013 05:06:39 PM 704 Views
Re: Hypocop Table - 28/12/2013 04:12:15 PM 1092 Views
Bergioyn - Not Guilty - 02/01/2014 04:23:24 PM 982 Views
Re: Mafia 33: Discworld, Day 4 - A New Soap - 30/12/2013 10:14:14 AM 1086 Views
Happy New Year! - 02/01/2014 02:37:51 PM 970 Views
You too, I'll do my best. *NM* - 04/01/2014 07:35:03 PM 579 Views
Alright so hopefully this will get us to start talking/thinking again - 02/01/2014 09:45:23 PM 1245 Views
I'm guessing it's because of the RPS system - 03/01/2014 03:01:06 AM 1013 Views
What is your opinion of my vote towards Yuna? - 03/01/2014 03:04:16 AM 985 Views
Yuna? Do you have any response to my accusation? *NM* - 07/01/2014 12:08:20 AM 578 Views
So, the promised roleclaim (most of it, at least). - 07/01/2014 03:48:16 AM 1088 Views
OK, so NOW do you concede that Stephen's NK was from being a vampire? - 07/01/2014 04:29:41 AM 957 Views
? - 07/01/2014 07:38:55 AM 937 Views
Hell, even if this weren't my own information... - 07/01/2014 08:35:33 AM 1098 Views
And furthermore... - 07/01/2014 08:41:11 AM 1035 Views
He had to get a NK from SOMEWHERE. And if you're dedicated to eliminating NKs... - 07/01/2014 08:54:38 PM 1079 Views
No. You do know what an individual role is, don't you? - 07/01/2014 10:06:16 PM 1045 Views
...what? - 07/01/2014 11:35:33 PM 960 Views
This is a flawed argument in two entirely separate and divergent ways. - 08/01/2014 01:49:27 AM 980 Views
Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 05:19:34 AM 1059 Views
Re: Any "role" with a Night Kill would be incongruous - 08/01/2014 07:25:04 AM 1159 Views
I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 02:17:25 PM 983 Views
Re: I'm just going off of what you're telling us about the Watch - 08/01/2014 06:10:43 PM 1100 Views
OK, this makes sense. - 07/01/2014 10:07:44 AM 1056 Views
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. - 07/01/2014 08:26:15 PM 947 Views
Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 06:39:57 AM 1098 Views
Yeah, that was actually the first thing I asked about during the Night. - 08/01/2014 07:33:10 AM 1032 Views
Were you definitely blocked by the Watch? - 08/01/2014 02:45:17 PM 1054 Views
Re: Oh. Euhm. Wow - 08/01/2014 05:43:02 PM 1238 Views
Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 05:40:41 PM 1346 Views
Re: Good work, F-T - 08/01/2014 06:09:56 PM 1097 Views
So... you want to lynch me, because I want to lynch scum? - 08/01/2014 08:50:26 PM 982 Views
This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 03:25:02 PM 1010 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 05:33:39 PM 1034 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 09/01/2014 06:42:44 PM 1139 Views
Re: This only counts if your Victory conditions align with the Watch's - 10/01/2014 04:38:55 AM 1225 Views
Whaaaaaat. We're not nation-building, here. - 10/01/2014 06:04:16 AM 1054 Views
And why shouldn't they? - 10/01/2014 04:25:21 AM 1240 Views
What if Stephen wasn't the target? - 09/01/2014 03:11:38 PM 1006 Views
VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 04:29:34 AM 1082 Views
I'll be looking forward to Sunday then. - 11/01/2014 05:21:57 AM 920 Views
Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 05:41:38 AM 1255 Views
Re: Sounds good to me too. - 11/01/2014 10:14:16 AM 919 Views
Hooray, I can kill people just by wishing! *NM* - 12/01/2014 03:03:49 AM 710 Views
I am certain you will not use that power for evil... *NM* - 12/01/2014 05:09:11 AM 738 Views
RBIRL - 11/01/2014 07:32:49 AM 1111 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:19:41 AM 1086 Views
Re: VNTL/modkill notes - policy - 11/01/2014 10:25:16 AM 1025 Views
Modkill - Yunalesca - 12/01/2014 09:04:40 PM 1260 Views
So... - 13/01/2014 12:57:58 AM 1337 Views
Re: So... - 13/01/2014 07:54:26 AM 1077 Views
EBWOP. - 13/01/2014 08:00:13 AM 998 Views
Dwarves and possibly a vampire. - 13/01/2014 07:48:09 PM 1019 Views
They're identifiably foreigners. - 13/01/2014 10:05:08 PM 1300 Views
Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 08:55:57 AM 1077 Views
Re: Not strictly true - 14/01/2014 09:07:41 AM 1157 Views
I trust Isaac enough to think it was not a mistake. - 15/01/2014 02:44:40 AM 914 Views
This is a reminder that someone stole my necklace and I'm still annoyed about that *NM* - 14/01/2014 06:30:39 PM 793 Views
I'm still annoyed at having my wizard hat stolen too. - 15/01/2014 06:43:41 AM 997 Views
Agreed, there are enough things left open. - 15/01/2014 03:24:29 PM 1084 Views
This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 03:25:21 PM 1156 Views
Re: This reminds me: did anybody else get anything stolen? - 15/01/2014 07:59:27 PM 1030 Views
I agree, those are the most likely candidates. - 16/01/2014 02:47:05 PM 1275 Views
Problem with that is that the known characters in this game are all recurrent. - 16/01/2014 09:05:38 PM 1084 Views
WIZARD. They're called WIZARDS. GOD *NM* - 17/01/2014 01:59:42 PM 799 Views
Witches also exist in Discworld. *NM* - 17/01/2014 02:10:24 PM 587 Views
Another point of order- no idea who left me feeling drained last night - 16/01/2014 03:04:54 PM 1187 Views
Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 19/01/2014 09:12:56 PM 980 Views
I really see no reason to believe everybody else loses if the Watch wins. - 19/01/2014 10:07:52 PM 1194 Views
Re: Even though we have some discussion, we're still not going forward. - 20/01/2014 10:51:15 PM 1069 Views
So... how are things with everybody? Doin good? *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:18:07 PM 833 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:38:20 PM 713 Views
Day Deadline Monday Night, the 27th *NM* - 23/01/2014 03:44:34 PM 712 Views
Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 23/01/2014 07:14:04 PM 585 Views
I'm not disagreeing, but what's your reasoning? *NM* - 24/01/2014 03:39:51 PM 741 Views
What's been discussed already. - 24/01/2014 11:29:45 PM 964 Views
Well, you know my reasoning - 24/01/2014 10:11:56 PM 890 Views
And this is what I was waiting for. - 24/01/2014 10:48:16 PM 1301 Views
Vote: Praziquantel - 25/01/2014 09:30:54 PM 973 Views
And here you are again. - 26/01/2014 06:52:21 AM 1197 Views
This is enought for me. Vote:ranagrande *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:38:42 AM 584 Views
I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 07:18:45 PM 1023 Views
Re: I am a little surprised by your strong defense of Praz - 26/01/2014 10:30:31 PM 1235 Views
Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 26/01/2014 11:37:08 PM 1023 Views
Wait let me try that again... - 26/01/2014 11:38:48 PM 959 Views
Re: Then maybe I misinterpreted this: - 27/01/2014 02:49:59 AM 1154 Views
Okay fair enough. Unvote. *NM* - 27/01/2014 03:18:34 AM 647 Views
Hm, I think it might be too late to unvote - 27/01/2014 04:09:24 AM 1178 Views
He's right, I didn't check the time stamps - 27/01/2014 07:46:46 PM 1276 Views
Can we get an extension? - 26/01/2014 06:56:08 AM 1246 Views
Seconded. *NM* - 26/01/2014 11:39:05 AM 592 Views
granted - I'll leave it a bit non-specific for now *NM* - 26/01/2014 04:09:00 PM 689 Views
Thank you *NM* - 26/01/2014 07:05:45 PM 613 Views
VNTL is 4 at the moment - 26/01/2014 07:21:53 PM 1324 Views
Vote record Update 1 - 26/01/2014 07:35:43 PM 1254 Views
FT has also voted for ranagrande. *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:00:37 PM 637 Views
Thanks *NM* - 26/01/2014 08:02:13 PM 774 Views
I demand blood! Also he's coming off a bit odd. Vote: Praziquantel *NM* - 27/01/2014 02:37:38 AM 771 Views
Praziquantel has been lynched - 27/01/2014 07:49:45 PM 1247 Views
Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 01:07:26 AM 1364 Views
Re: Twilight has begun - 28/01/2014 02:06:39 AM 1308 Views

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